Masonic Material Culture

[Bushrod Carter]

There seem to be enough Brothers on the AC that maybe we can discuss the Material Culture of Freemasons during the mid-nineteenth century.

I don't have any way to start other than asking: What can we do to improve our impressions as Craftsmen during the Civil War?

If anyone has a photo of a soldier wearing a Masonic pin/fob/etc please post it.

Below I've added a couple of photos of interesting Masonic stuff.

[BrianHicks]

Here are a few images of an original Masonic Flask from the era:

An original circa 1860's to 1870's Civil War era quart size aquamarine glass blown in the mold calabash like flask listed as G lV-42 No.259 in McKearin's American Glass, and described as made by A. R. Samuels of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. This handsome 8 1/2" tall piece is known for many years as a Masonic flask but may also relate to the Jr. Order of United American Mechanics. The obverse shows a large shield with clasped hands above a square and compass amidst 5 pointed stars, 13 above and 6 below, and word "Union" in an oval frame, all within laurel branches. The reverse shows an American eagle upon a Union shield above four arrows and olive branch, and the initials "A. R. S.." A flowing ribbon travels from the eagle's beak to above and below. The side walls are fluted, with an applied lip, broad sloping collar, and a recessed pontil mark.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/timetravelersantiques/.mids/K213.jpg

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/timetravelersantiques/K2132.jpg

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/timetravelersantiques/K2133.jpg

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/timetravelersantiques/.mids/K2135.jpg

[BrianHicks]

The links provided below, are to a few sites with many great images of Masonic Flasks along with a good narratives of their history during our period of interest.

http://www.glswrk-auction.com/149b.htm

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/flasks_table_of_contents.htm

[Vuhginyuh]

Patrick, I’m not a Mason but the old lodge in Raleigh might be a great resource. I’m told they have wartime images of several members in uniform; Capt. Tom Rice Youngblood, Co. D, 51 NC being one of them. His apron is in a private family collection in Smithfield NC. If it’s a wartime artifact I'll certainly get a picture for you.

Is there an online site to help date early American Masonic artifacts? I have a paternal family apron from the Tidewater that may prove interesting.

[Bushrod Carter]

Garrison,

If you could get photos of the wartime images I'd be VERY appreciative!

Also, I could help you date just about any apron from 1750 to 1900. Send me a photo and I can help you out with that!

[Vuhginyuh]

Patrick- Will do ASAP on the family apron. Its heading to a conservator in two weeks so this will be a good time to shoot it.

As far as Raleigh goes, I only have Youngbloods image; which I can provide. He is not wearing any Masonic material though, do you still want it? (As a matter of fact your avatar reminds me of him.) Is there an AC member that is a member of the old Raleigh lodge?

[Bushrod Carter]

Garrison,

I am hoping to find images of men wearing a Masonic device. I look forward to seeing the pics of ther family apron.

[Beaner]

Gents,
I don't have any pictures, but, I would highly reccommend that all the brothers read "A House Undivided - The Story of Freemasonary and the Civil War" by Brother Allen E. Roberts. The book gives excellent information on Freemason thought and works during and prior to the Civil War. Brother Roberts qoutes from several different minutes of Freemason lodges both from the North and South. It is one of the most enlighting books that this brother mason has read.

MM Dave Prince
Walled Lake #528

[1stMaine]

Comrades,

I don't have any images yet, but I MAY have some in our lodge's libraries. We just uncovered a number of albums of CDV's and other images, but it's slow going wading through them.

We do have some datable aprons, however, including some from 1820 and earlier. What's interesting is that the earlier ones, up to around 1860, are primarily silkscreened black ink on white silk. It's not till around the CW period that, at least in our lodge, you begin to see embroidery replace the printed designs.

Also, FWIW, there is an identified Paul-Revere made copper device in the Scottish Rite collection in Massachusetts that has the letter "G" in the middle of the square and compasses. It predates the CW by quite a bit, so it shows evidence of the letter being used well before our period.

Respects,

Tim Kindred
Polar Star Lodge No.114
Bath, Maine

[Justin Runyon]

Here is my first in, I hope, a number of posts in this thread. I have a ton of images if I ever find my flashdrive, but for now...

I give you Bro. Thumb's Apron.

Bro. Runyon
Snr. Stwrd.
Riley Lodge #390

[Dennis Rigsby]

Gentlemen,

Anyone have information of someone making period reproductions of Masonic aprons? I saw aprons in photos last year at Shaker Village. The craftsman that made these was good! Thanks for your efforts.

Dennis H. Rigsby
Richmond, In.

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Tim,

It is interesting that you mention the letter "G" inside the S&C on the Paul Revere made artifact. That seems to be another of those re-enactorisms that we so often talk about on other threads of the AC. Granted, period artifacts DO NOT typically reflect the standardized Masonic "logo" as we think of it today, but, I too, have seen several aprons dating from 1800 to 1860 with the "G" inside the Square and Campasses. HOWEVER, I have never seen a period photo of a soldier or civilian wearing a big honking patch with a S&C on it!

Ok, here is my addition for today...

[Bushrod Carter]

Dennis,

Please contact me off this thread via a PM or e-mail to Craddock64@aol.com to answer your questions about reproduction Masonic aprons.

[Deborah Hyland]

Don't forget to look at textiles. Baltimore Album quilts often have Odd Fellows iconography, since the group was founded there, but there are many other album quilts with masonic symbols.

Some examples:
http://www.nationalheritagemuseum.org/Default.aspx?tabid=342&cid=3&sid=0&page=0&ProductID=12
http://nationalheritagemuseum.org/Default.aspx?tabid=342&cid=3&sid=0&ProductID=55&page=0
http://www.si.edu/harcourt/nmah/quilts/30.htm

[Beaner]

These quilts are outstanding!!!
Dave Prince
4th Texas Co E
Bosque Mess
Walled Lake #528

[Deborah Hyland]

Do browse the rest of the collection at the National Heritage Museum (http://nationalheritagemuseum.org). They have a ton of material culture (not just regalia, but furniture, decorative arts, textiles, glassware, paintings, and more).

[arthurlee]

Can anyone tell me how one would have worn a Masonic patch or pin during a field impression? I have been told but have not seen anything that would denote a brother in the field through casual observation.

Art Maxwell
Shepherd TX
1st Texas Battery K
Trinity Lodge #14 Livingston Texas

[Beaner]

Matt,
As far as my research has taken me, the brothers would have been very discreet in displaying any symbols of the craft. I have seen pictures of watch fobs, swords, and dress glove covers from the war. These have never been authenticated to anyone brother. I see you are a Texacan, I was wondering if you might be able to help a fellow traveller? I reenact the 4th Texas Co. E. We formed in Waco, Texas before heading to Richmond, Virginia. The first Lodge in Waco was formed in the 1850's. I'm trying to get a list of Freemasons who were members of lodge that may have served in our unit. The Lodge is Bosque 92 of Waco. Could please help me uptain this info.
Dave Prince
Walled Lake #528

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Art,
Below is an excerpt froma thread on the AC intitled "Masons in the line" I would suggest that you do a quick search for that thread and give it a read. There is some REALLY good information there!

Anyway,below are some quotes that should give you a good idea of how to wear a S&C as they did 140 years ago. Hope it helps!


Brothers and interested parties,

Here are a few passages from "House Undivided" about how and where Masons wore identifying badges:

Pg 49: “…he pointed to a Masonic pin in Colonel Raynor’s shirt-bosom.”

Pg. 54: “…observed a Masonic pin on the bosom of Colonel Wood….” This I am assuming to also mean on his shirt, as the colonel had been wounded and was being treated by a “enemy” doctor.

Pg 58: “…the coat-sleeve of one of them was torn during the struggle, and her eyes fell upon a breast-pin that he had fastened upon his shirt sleeve, perhaps for concealment and safety.” This is an interesting story about a young lady who, while struggling with Federal soldiers in an attempt to protect her recently captured brother, say the token and then gave the grand hailing sign! The account continues, “During the early part of the evening, there was a meeting of the Masonic members of the company at the captain’s quarters. Where the girl was examined, and found to have passed all the degrees in masonry, to that of Master Mason. Where or how she had acquired these degrees, she declined to say. She and her brother had been in the United States but about ten weeks, having come from Ireland for the purpose of purchasing a farm, intending when they had done so, to send for their mother and younger brother. The boy did not know that his sister was a mason, and only knew that his father, when living, was a Master of a lodge in their native town in Ireland.” Sounds like a poorly tiled Lodge to me!

Pg. 79: “I wore on the lapel of my coat, a small Masonic breast-pin, merely to be fashionable with (other) Masons.…”

Pg. 105. The Major of the 3rd R.I. Infantry, while meeting a Confederate officer under flag of truce, noticed something on the “enemy’s” uniform that caused him to remark, “I suppose by the tools you carry I have the honor of meeting a Craftsman, as well as an enemy in war?”

Pg. 118: “While adding him he noticed a Masonic emblem on the shirt of…”

Pg 125: After the fighting at Antietam, a picket from the 5th N.H. Infantry was called by a wounded Confederate soldier just outside his post. The wounded soldier was “handed a little slip of paper, on which he had evidently with great difficulty, succeeded in marking some mystic sign with a bit of stick wet in blood. The soldier begged to hand the paper to some Freemason as soon as possible, and he took it to….”

And these from “Befriend and Relieve every Brother: Freemasonry during Wartime” by Richard E. Shields, Jr.

Pg. 13: “…he saw that he wore a Masonic emblem on his coat.”

Pg. 24: “The major wore a small Masonic breast-pin which was the fashion of the Masons in the Northern Army at that time.”

Pg. 38: “The Mason spied the square and compass emblem on his attackers breast.”

Pg. 41: “,,,after awhile one of them noticed Bosang’s Masonic ring.”

Pg 43: “…he noticed the Masonic square and compasses on his watch chain.”

Pg 48: “Early in his Masonic career the patient had had painted (tattooed?) on his arm the square and compasses designating his Masonic affiliation.”

Pg. 51: “…noticed a Masonic ring on a portrait of the plantation’s owner’s son.…”

[Bushrod Carter]

And for those wondering what a "Masonic breast-pin" or "Masonic pin" looked like...

These are from the mid nineteenth century. Nothice the "C" clasp on the backs AND the "G" used with both! Each measures about 1/2" to 3/4" across

[sgt sidd]

Dear Brothers I have seen some neat things buttons, and aprons the VA Grand Lodge has some of them, I my self have coppied one, but I changed it a little I use it as my Past Masters apron. There is a Logde in VA which is Civil War Lodge of Research 1865., it meets on different Civil War sites the lodges home is in Richmond VA. I hope That helps Thank you Robert S Lanier

[Beaner]

Brother Craddock thanks for the info. Just start reading "A House Undivided" hoping to get those answers.
Dave Prince
Walled Lake 528

[sgt sidd]

Dear Brothers I made my apron at Macos in Richmond a Masonic supply house, they made it for me based on one I saw at VA Grand Lodge in Richmond. I have seen Masonic sysmbols on buttons on watches on a cantten and on other things. I belong to 347 and 1865 Lodge in Richmond VA. Hope to hear from you Brethen again. Br. Robert S Lanier

[Bushrod Carter]

I have seen Masonic sysmbols on buttons on watches on a cantten and on other things.

Brother Lanier,
If you have (or can get) photos of a period canteen with a Masonic symbol on it, I would LOVE to see it! I've never seen an origonal canteen with anything Masonic on it.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is today's addition to the photo essay...

I have this listed as a ginger beer bottle, but I think it may be a period ink bottle.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is an image from the late 1850s of a Brother wearing his apron.

[Bushrod Carter]

Please, everyone, feel free to add to this thread!

Here is a fun one! This auctioned on eBay about three weeks ago. It is a glazed clay marble - about 5/8" in diameter - with a Square & Compass WITH a "G" in the center!

Anyone want to guess what this ONE marble sold for? Anyone?

There must have been more than one collector that wanted this thing as it sold for a bit more than $225.00! Yes, I said more than $225.00 for ONE marble!

Enjoy!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is a Brother with an interesting backdrop - a Master's Carpet - the nineteenth century equevalent of our "slide" presentation.

Enjoy. Thoughts?

[Matthew.Rector]

Attached are a couple period cdv's I recently found on ebay.
M.Rector
Morrison Lodge #76
Elizabethtown, KY

[jgr1974]

Looks like the Master Mason in the 1850's dag is a member of Eastern Star as well!!!

Jeremy

[Dale Beasley]

Brother Bushrod,

Thanks for this thread, really enjoyed reading it.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is a collar box with a pressed gutta percha Masonic top.

Enjoy

[btwils]

Here is a Brother with an interesting backdrop - a Master's Carpet - the nineteenth century equevalent of our "slide" presentation.

Enjoy. Thoughts?

Pat I have seen an orignal back drop just like that in Rogersville Al Lodge.Lodge lore say's It was stolen during the war, and after the war returned without any idea of who took it. The grand lodge say's there wasn't a lodge in Rogersville AL at that time but they have recoreds stating there was. The only thing that was damaged was a hand shake was cut out. It is now framed hanging on the wall. It's pretty interesting to look at.
Brian Wilson/Killen Lodge 788 Killen AL

[1stMaine]

Brother Carter,

Was that collar box obtained throug ebay? I'm enquiring because an identical one was sold there not too long ago, and I was sadly beaten out in the bidding for it.

There are quite a number of nice old Masonic items there from time to time.

Respects,

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Kindred,

Yes, the collar box was sold on eBay within the last year. There are quite a few interesting Masonic thingies that pop up from time to tome on eBay. Some I'd like to bid on, and some that are just interesting things that are fun to look at but not that interesting to own. Anyway, most of the images that I've posted on this thread are from artifacts sold on eBay. I simply copy the image to a Masonic Material Culture folder on my computer for future reference.

Sorry you missed the collar box. It is a great piece.

[Dale Beasley]

Brother Bushrod,

I thought it was the "Black Box" at first?

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is today's addition...

This is a CDV of a Brother with apron ands sash. Enjoy.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is one of my all time favorite images -- a GREAT photo of a Brother with a spectacular apron!

Enjoy!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is something interesting. I pulled the images of this match safe off eBay last night.

Enjoy!

[Hoosier Yank]

Don’t exactly know the date on this S&C but it has a “C” clasp attachement. Picked this little gem up at a local antique mall when I was looking for pre WWII Navy Chief Petty Officer memorabilia/insignias.



Bro. Justin, why don’t you share that sterling silver S&C lapel/tie fob you picked up at the Nashville CW Show?

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is an apron from my collection. It was made in Nashville by a local artist using an unusual wood block print. This apron dates from circe 1850.

Enjoy!

[Bushrod Carter]

Ok, there has GOT to be other Brothers out there with photos to contribute. Hicks, Runyon, Thomason? Anybody? Please feel free to jump in here and contribute. I can keep this thread going until my AC memory is full - and that's not too far off.

Ok, here is today's entry. This is a great "Masonic" piece - even though it is a Lady's bracelet. This is also a post war artifact, maybe c1880.

Enjoy!

[BrianHicks]

I've seen this described simply as a "19th Century Travellers Medallion"

http://www.pasadenaknights.com/images/masonicpendant.jpg

Does anyone have any info on this item?

[Bushrod Carter]

Sorry Brian, I wish I had some info on the medalion, but alas...

Anyway, here is something I will be wearing at an event soon ... just picked it up on eBay this evening.

It is a shirt stud. Enjoy!

[Justin Runyon]

Finnally got off my butt and took the picture. Here are the two pieces I wear frequently (in the case of the ring, daily)

The stick pin I picked up at the Nashville show last year. The detail on this one is really quite remarkable - the tiny rivets holding the square together and the "hinge" on the compasses are visable in person, perhpas not so much in the photo.

The ring is rose gold with a shell signet on top. The shell has been carved and then enamled over. When I was researching to find a ring I could wear to events, this style dated from ca. 1810 - ca. 1870. Turns out it's the only ring I ever cared to buy. This one came directly from its home in England, most likely made in Italy originally.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is another breast pin that I thoughts was interesting.

Enjoy!

[Kiev Thomason]

Here is another breast pin that I thoughts was interesting.

Enjoy!

That ain't one of them there Temple Police badges is it!:D I will see you Friday Brother.I got something you need to see.I will bring it up.

[cwdoc45]

Ty the Jeweler's Daughter in Hagerstown, MD. They are at many eastern reenactments. They reporduce only historically accurate masonic pieces from originals. I wear a watch fob that is period correct from Wash Lodge #1 - Del.

Dr. Trevor Steinbach
Past Master Batavia Lodge , Batavia, IL
Past Master Armistead-Bingham Lodge 1862 - CW Reinactor's Lodge
Grand Lodge of Wisconsin

[Bushrod Carter]

Ok, here is my last entry. My AC memory is now officially FULL!

Enjoy!

[Kiev Thomason]

Ok, here is my last entry. My AC memory is now officially FULL!

Enjoy!

Brother ,The reason I have not posted things is I can not use the camera...
It is so full of baby pictures right now it is crazy!As soon as we get back from this weekend I will have a new memory card and store those to a disk and start snapping away.

[BrianHicks]

Here are two recent acquisitions of mine:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2716/Masonic1.jpg

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2161/Masonic2.jpg

and

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7803/WatchFOB.jpg

This last item is a watch fob, dtd to the 1860's (according to the info provided by the seller). The reverse side, has a simple Square and Compass, with 'G' in the center, engraved.

[BrianHicks]

Here's another item I've added to my period Masonic Material items:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8177/Masonic3.jpg

[missourirelics]

Sorry for the quality of this photo, this was dug by a fellow brother who at the time was only an entered apprentice. Anyway this is a period Masonic cuff-link he dug in a CS position (yes, off the park and on private property, I was with him when he dug it). This pic was taken soon after he dug it. Nice piece, he was very proud of it.

Paul Arnold
Dexter Lodge #532
Aad Grotto

[33rd VA Co. H]

Here are some dug relics that were posted recently in a Masonic relic discussion on another forum I visit.

[jgr1974]

Wow,

I love the first one!!! Past Master's jewel? I have been meaning to get a picture of an article in my friend's private collection. The article is a pendant in the shape of a small disc from an oyster shell. The Square and Compass ar in the center with rays exiting the center. I also believe there is a G in the center! This pendant I believe has provnce to a Confederate Brother!!!

I hope to make the trip soon to photograph this from his collection!

The Mad Mick!!!

Watson Ill Lodge 602 AF&AM

[jgr1974]

JUst looked closer at the last photo -a button? Very cool-think we could get someoe to reproduce some? Anyone have any buckles or seen any? All I have seen are post war types.

Again, more ramblings from the Mad MIck!!!

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Sites,

Those are FANTASTIC images! You said those were all DUG relics? The first image is very cool, but I have never seen anything quite like that from the mid-nineteenth century. I'd love to know more about it. Do you know where it was found?

The second photo - the silver S&C within the disk is what I envision when I think of breast pins that were worn by our Civil War brothers. That one is the one I'd LOVE to see repoped!

Thanks for posting those wonderful images!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is one that I missed on eBay recently. I thought it a very interesting little brooch - only 1/2" wide!

Enjoy!

[coastaltrash]

Lets see if these two pictures post.

[Bushrod Carter]

I wish we could find someone to repop some pipes like those (but with the stem intact :rolleyes:).

Great pics, Patrick.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is another image from eBay. Check out the placement of the S&C.

Also, and I HATE to even mention this, BUT...

does anyone else think this Brother looks like the dude that played Ashley Wilkes in "Gone with the Wind"?

[M_Kupsch]

Brother Pat,

Yep, I have to agree. He does bear a resemblence to the actor, Leslie Howard, who portrayed Ashley Wilkes in GWTW.

Now you mentioned it bothered you even brining it up; bothers me more that I knew who the actor was. :cry_smile

[Bushrod Carter]

Ok, here is VERY cool piece of Masonic Material Culture. This was up for auction on eBay last year. I bid on it, but someone else wanted it a lot more than I did. Still, I think a carpenter’s square inlaid with Masonic emblems is very cool!

Enjoy!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is a very dapper fellow from the Daguerrain Society.

How long is that apron? Wow!

[Beaner]

Here's my latest find. It's a tintype of 19th Century brother wearing his apron and a wheel hat.
Dave Prince
4th Texas Co. E
Walled lake #528

[Bushrod Carter]

This is kinda fun. Here is a Jacquard coverlet from the 1840s. Notice the Masonic symbols?

Enjoy!

[aaron1stvirginia]

Gents,
I read on a website the other day that a fellow had read or saw pictures of a coat or coats with a square and comasses sewed in the inside of the coat. Has anyone seen or ever heard of this? If I could find a picture of it I would do it to mine since brass was hard to come by in the war.

Your obediant servant,

[BrianHicks]

Brass?

If you have not yet read through this discussion:

http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10441

I encourage you to do so. In it, are several pictures of period items which where worn on shirts, jackets, etc.

[aaron1stvirginia]

Mr. Hicks
I had read it before. As a matter of fact I have even got a picture of a gentleman that was in the 13th TN Cavalry, but I'm not sure if it was before, during, or after the war. Anyways, I do thank you for helping though, but I would still like to see a reference or a picture of a square and compasses sewed in a coat. Most of all I was wandering if it was embrordered or a piece of material was sewn in the coat.

Your obediant servant,

[nick19thind]

It was embroidered onto a patch.

[BrianHicks]

It was embroidered onto a patch.

What reference do you have for this?

Images? Written descriptions?

We have seen the horrid, sutler row variety. The big patch with the square and compass embroidered in the center (often with a gold border). To date however... we have not seen any reference which would indicate this particular type of item is anything close to being period correct.

If you have information, it would be appreciated.

[Justin Runyon]

Nick needs a time out. Perhaps after he comes back he'll post his wealth of information on the subject.

More to the point, it's going to be rough to find photographs of anything on the inside of a coat. There is a thread here somewhere though wherein Mr. Craddock posted numerous written discriptions of using Masonic symbols on garments. That would be an excellant place to start.

[Hank Trent]

I read on a website the other day that a fellow had read or saw pictures of a coat or coats with a square and comasses sewed in the inside of the coat. Has anyone seen or ever heard of this? If I could find a picture of it I would do it to mine since brass was hard to come by in the war,

What I don't understand is, why ask here? Why not contact the fellow and/or the website where the information was presented, to get more details? Seems like he's the one who already knows where such a thing is.

But one thing that occurred to me is it could be quilted into the lining. Never heard of a Masonic example, but sometimes tailors got fancy. Tried to find an example quickly, and all I could come up with was Lincoln's overcoat that he was wearing when he was shot. No image, but "In the quilted lining of the overcoat is an embossed figure of an eagle holding in its mouth two festoons, on which are the words 'One Country, One Destiny.'" http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/hh/3b/hh3h3.htm

Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net

[Dale Beasley]

Come-on Hank, give the guy a break,

Think about the soldiers in the field, what were they able to obtain?...I don't know. Being a soldier in the field, I not only carved the Square and Compass on my dog-tags, but I did stitched them on the inside of my uniform. I know the PX's in Iraq and Kuwait did not carry a metal of the Square and Compass, so I had to do a little thinking of my own. And really how much has the soldier changed over the past 140 some odd years? After living thru Vicksburg, I know not much. I be willing to bet the farm they did stitched them on their own.

[Hank Trent]

Come-on Hank, give the guy a break,

It was a serious question. Why not first ask the person most apt to know, then go from there if the answer isn't satisfactory? It may be that the person on the website has access to information that most others don't, like a coat in a private collection, and we could spend all day speculating, when he could easily report where the coat is, its provenance if any, what it looks like, etc.

Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net

[Dale Beasley]

Hank,
I have to agree with you.

[aaron1stvirginia]

Hank
I take no offense to the comment. I did however contact the fellow and he said he'd read it somewhere, but couldn't remember where. I do think that it could be possible that it could have been quilted in there, not saying it was or wasn't, but possible.

Sincerely,

[FranklinGuardsNYSM]

This Bill-the-Butcheresque fellow appears in the crowd in the 1865 photo at the D.C. Quartermaster General's office.

http://www.myrtle-avenue.com/masonic.jpg

Nov. 21, 1862, Brooklyn Daily Eagle: "$5 REWARD—LOST, ON WEDNESDAY morning, in going from the corner of Amity and Coumbia streets, across the South Ferry, to the corner of Whitehall and South streets, New York, a MASONIC PIN, representing the letter G."

It's probably under the BQE now...

[Bushrod Carter]

Marc,
What a GREAT photo! Thanks for sharing that and the newspaper note with us! I think I have a new impression to shoot for! :rolleyes:

Brother Aaron,
Take a look at page two of this thread. There are several discriptions of Masonic identifying devices. Sorry, no pictures, but some small discriptions.

[aaron1stvirginia]

Mr. Craddock
I thank you sir for dericting my attention to that page. Suppose I ask you a question. Would it be wrong if I were to embroder the s and c in the inside of my jacket. Who's to say it's never been done. Just because we can't find it doesnt mean it didn't happen. Some of the things I've seen S and C's on have really intrigued me. Smoking pipes, blankets, banks, jails, furniture. I'm not trying to start an uproar or anything I just want to make sure it's ok before I do it. Where exactly is Hiram lodge at? I would like to pay a visit sometime and you are always welcome here in East Tennessee as well.

Sincerly,

[BrianHicks]

Mr. Craddock
I Where exactly is Hiram lodge at? I would like to pay a visit sometime and you are always welcome here in East Tennessee as well.

Sincerly,

Hiram #7 is in Franklin Tennessee.

Franklin's Masonic Lodge is a building of many firsts. Hiram Lodge No. 7, founded in Franklin in 1809, was first affiliated with the parent Lodge No. 55 in North Carolina. The local Lodge surrendered its North Carolina charter when the Grand Lodge of Tennessee was constituted in 1813 and received its present charter in 1815. In 1817 the Masons of Franklin organized the first legal lottery in Tennessee to fund the construction of a Masonic Hall. The three-story temple, completed in 1823, was the tallest building west of the Allegheny Mountains. Hiram Lodge No. 7 has met in the Masonic Hall since its completion, making it one of the oldest continuous lodges in the same location in the United States.

In addition to the Lodge's long Masonic history, it has been the site of many important religious, political, and social events. In 1830 James H. Otey, later the first Episcopal bishop of Tennessee, organized St. Paul's, the state's first Episcopal Church, at the Masonic Hall. On December 7, 1830, noted religious reformer Alexander Campbell preached in the hall and planted the seeds for the Church of Christ, which continued to meet on the site until the congregation completed the construction of a house of worship on Fourth Avenue in 1852. United States Commissioners John H. Eaton and John Coffee accompanied President Andrew Jackson to meet in council with the Chickasaw delegation in 1830 to negotiate the sale of Indian lands, marking the first time a U.S. president had personally participated in treaty negotiations. During the Civil War Confederate spies climbed to the roof to observe troop movements at Fort Granger, a Federal post across the river on Figuers's Bluff. After the battle of Franklin on November 30, 1864, the hall served as a hospital for wounded Union soldiers.

The Masonic Hall is also home to Franklin Chapter No. 2, Royal Arch Masons; DePaynes Commandry No. 11, Knights Templar; and Franklin Chapter No. 449, Order of Eastern Star.

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Aaron,

I think it would be perfectly OK to embroider a S&C on the inside of your jacket! Of course I would say such a thing, because I did that with my first Lt’s frock about 9 years ago. I took a needle and black thread and embroidered a simple S&C about 1 1/4” tall on the face of an inside pocket. Nothing fancy. I’ll try and get a photo of it to share on this thread. I’m pretty sure I got that idea from an account in “House Undivided.”

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Aaron,

Here are a couple photos of the S&C inside my Lt's frock. Nothing fancy, and it shows how poor a seamstress I am!

Hope this is of some help.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is a good one for today...and one that I think just about anyone could reproduce. This is a Mother of Pearl (shell) shirt stud that is so very common to the period. We've all seen them in antique stores and many sutlers will have a few laying around. Anyway, the shell is soft and anyone with a sharp pointed object (oh, I don't know - say the point of a compass) could etch a simple S&C on the face of the stud. Then, simply apply some black India Ink to the face, wipe of the excess and the etching will hold the ink and the S&C would be visible.

What does everyone else think?

[boreguard]

Neat!
see ya at Hiram on the 23rd.

[Bushrod Carter]

This little snuff box was listed on eBay as circa 1880s, but I think it could easily translate into the 1860s.

What do you think?

[jgr1974]

Brothers,

I have a nice leather S&C leather stamp coming, if anyone is intersted!

The Mad MIck!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here are somethings to "quich your thirst."

These are flasks from the 1820s and 1830s.

Enjoy!

[Bushrod Carter]

Although it is obvious that this photo was taken within the decade after the War, I wonder...

How many of these Brothers had taken their degrees before the war? Did any of them take degrees during the War in military Lodges? Did any of them ever experience the need to practice their Masonry with an "enemy" on the battlefield?

Anyway, I think it is easy to see the "look" of several veterans in this photo.

Enjoy!

[paulcalloway]

Did any of them ever experience the need to practice their Masonry with an "enemy" on the battlefield?

I was talking to the Worshipful Master of the Wayne Lodge up here in Fort Wayne and he brought up a Civil War anecdote regarding a mason who was killed and enemies convened peacefully to give him a proper masonic burial.

I wasn't able to get the details of the event but he mentioned he has a write-up on the event at the Wayne Lodge. Once the lodge comes back online in September I'll try to get my hands on the information.

[jgr1974]

Nice pic-looks like the Tyler is holding a "War Momento".

The Mad MIck!!!

[Bushrod Carter]

Jeremy,
As many times as I've looked at this pic it wasn't until after you mentioned it that I saw the sword! I am getting old...and less observant! Thanks for pointing that out!

[33rd VA Co. H]

In regards to two of the four relics I posted on a previous page in this thread, here is a little more information regarding their excavation. This first one was found in an 1865 Union camp in South Alabama. It's solid silver and about the size of a dime.


http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5377&d=1182260319


This AWESOME gold pin came out of a western 1858 camp of the 2nd Dragoons. Dozens of gold coins have come from that camp over the years so it's location is obviously quite guarded by the diggers.


http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5376&d=1182260319

[33rd VA Co. H]

Paul Calloway: Did any of them ever experience the need to practice their Masonry with an "enemy" on the battlefield?

The May 2007 issue of Civil War Times had an article discussing Custer's hangings and Mosby's "Death Lottery". The article states that Mosby assigned Edward F. Thompson and a detail of Rangers to escort condemned prisoners including Lieutenant Israel Clement Disosway of the 5th NY Heavy Artillery to the Shenandoah Valley to carry out the executions as close to Union lines as possible. At Ashby's Gap in the Blue Ridge, Thompson halted and allowed the condemned men to write a letter to their family. Before they proceded, Captain Richard Mountjoy and Company D of the Batallion met them coming down the valley with more prisoners. A fastidious dresser, Mountjoy wore a Masonic pin on the lapel of his coat. Lieutenant Disosway, a fellow Mason signaled Montjoy with the Masonic distress sign. Mountjoy convinced Thompson to swap Disosway for a Custer trooper whom he had captured. When Mosby learned of the trade, he angrily reminded Mountjoy that the 43rd Batallion "was no Masonic lodge."

I don't know if this would be considered "practicing Masonry with an enemy" but I thought it was interesting and appropriate none the less.

[amazingkenneth]

Hello Brothers,
You may like this photo..

God Bless,
Ken Reihl
Nutley #25 F.&A.M.

[Bushrod Carter]

Greg,

Thanks for the close-ups of those two pins! FANTASTIC!

Ken,

Nice CDV of a Brother wearing what looks to be a Royal Arch apron! Thanks for sharing it!


Below is an interesting photo of a Brother I pulled off eBay. He is from Scotland, and the photo was taken about 1870. It is interesting to compare the Scottish standardized apron to those of American Masons, but more interesting than that is his "feet."

[BrianHicks]

Below is an interesting photo of a Brother I pulled off eBay. He is from Scotland, and the photo was taken about 1870. It is interesting to compare the Scottish standardized apron to those of American Masons, but more interesting than that is his "feet."

And a Past Master at that!

Interesting to note, just like todays Aprons which are prevalent in Europe, you can note the presence of the three rossettas, and the two hanging 'tassle' like items.

[Bushrod Carter]

For the clean shaven Brother:

Here is something else I've pulled images of off of eBay.

These were massed produced and at the time of their manufacture were fairly common.

Enjoy!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is a nice stick pin.

Anyone else have more pics to share?

[jgr1974]

I guess I just feel like I need to post something again here!!! I have looked several times at the silver S&C in the circle. It reminds me of the Texas ranger Badges made from the Spanish Peso! If a Brother is wanting a nice period S&C to wear, I know Andy Fulks of FC sutlery has a nice priod produced one. It is made of stamped brass like the branch of service badges are. They are great detail!!! I wear one on my work apron, when making accouterments. Andy is a Brother, and good guy as well!

The Mad MIck!!

[Justin Runyon]

Found this tonight, figured all would enjoy seeing it and maybe someone would know something more about it as it's sort of an enigma to me. The obverse is certainly very characteristic of Georgian pieces that I have see, but the photo inside is clearly not from that era. I know nothing of the reverse and the engravings there. My guess is it's an earlier piece with a later photo inserted, gorgeous none the less.

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Runyon,

The locket is typical of the Georgian era. Also, and of course I cannot find a picture of any similar lockets at the moment, but, lockets of this type are often attributed to French prisoners of war held in British internment camps during the Napoleonic period. It seems these lockets/medallions were made and sold as a means of relief for some of the prisoners.

Now, I have no explination as to the decades difference between the locket and the photo inside. That is a good mystery!

I will keep looking and see if I can find images of other similar lockets. I know I’ve seen several.

[Bushrod Carter]

After a quick GOOGLE search I found that there were NO FEWER than TWENTY-SIX Lodges or Chapters comprised of French POWs in Britain between 1750 and 1814!

Looks like I need to do some more digging! WOW!

[Justin Runyon]

Mid - 19th Century Tattoo flash currently on display in an unknown French museum. I accidently found this image on someones blog about his recent european vacation. I'll have to see if I can go back and figure out where this piece is. Very cool none-the-less.

[Kiev Thomason]

Mid - 19th Century Tattoo flash currently on display in an unknown French museum. I accidently found this image on someones blog about his recent european vacation. I'll have to see if I can go back and figure out where this piece is. Very cool none-the-less.

Nice! I have seen this a few times in other places...and one local Tattoo shop.I will let ya know how it comes out :) .I have been wanting something new.HA HA !:D

[Bushrod Carter]

I posted this over on the Tatoo thread...

No pictures, but I found this reference on a Masonic Tatoo page. (Yes, I'm thinking of something special to celebrate me making it to 40!)


"The first Masonic funeral service in California in 1849 was for the body of an unknown Freemason who was found drowned in the bay. A Mark Master's silver mark was found on the body. Tattooed on his left arm were the emblems of the E[ntered] A[pprentice]; on his right arm the emblems of a F[ellow] C[raft]; on his left breast the lights of Freemasonry and over his heart a pot of incense. On other parts of his body were a beehive, sword and heart, all-seeing eye, hourglass, sun, moon, stars, comet, 3 steps, weeping virgin and Father Time with his scythe."


I'm proud of being a Freemason, but dang!

[Kiev Thomason]

I posted this over on the Tatoo thread...

No pictures, but I found this reference on a Masonic Tatoo page. (Yes, I'm thinking of something special to celebrate me making it to 40!)


"The first Masonic funeral service in California in 1849 was for the body of an unknown Freemason who was found drowned in the bay. A Mark Master's silver mark was found on the body. Tattooed on his left arm were the emblems of the E[ntered] A[pprentice]; on his right arm the emblems of a F[ellow] C[raft]; on his left breast the lights of Freemasonry and over his heart a pot of incense. On other parts of his body were a beehive, sword and heart, all-seeing eye, hourglass, sun, moon, stars, comet, 3 steps, weeping virgin and Father Time with his scythe."


I'm proud of being a Freemason, but dang!
Maybe we could get together and look at some thing this next weekend??:rolleyes:
See ya soon Brother.Call me sometime before Friday ...

[boreguard]

I found this pipe in an antique shop in Gettysburg this past weekend.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is something a little different.

I am beginning a research project on decorative Masonic tombstones. So, if anyone has photos of interesting "stones" in their area I'd appreciate it if you could post a photo of it or pass it along to me in a PM or e-mail! Thanks.

Enjoy!

[BigRonFH]

Must say, this is ALL fascinating! BUt the question remains, IS IT authentic to wear the square & compass on the ubiform? I see it alot at events.

Ron Hopkins
Co. D, 13th US Inf
Unity Lodge #130, Sioux Falls, SD

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Ron,

The short answer to the S&C question is: YES. The longer answer is: Yes, but it depends on the S&C being worn and HOW it is worn. Take a look at the breast pins pictured earlier in this thread. Those are more appropriate to the CW than the obligatory sutler patch we see so often today!

Also, on the second page of this thread is a post with numerous period accounts of Masonic emblems and how they were worn/shown.

Also, over the course of the last 17 years I have found a whopping EIGHT photos of soldier from the CW WEARING identifiable Masonic emblems! EIGHT! That’s it! ALL eight are of Federal soldiers. Six were wearing a S&C pin on the breast of their uniform coat. One was wearing a small S&C fob on a watch chain, and one is shown wearing a gilt embroidered APRON over his dress frock coat!

There is another possible photo of a group of Federal Masons wearing plain white aprons. The photo is labeled (mislabeled in my opinion) as a group of US Hospital stewards. It can be found in the second volume of Dr. Gordon Dammann’s “Pictorial Encyclopedia of Civil War Medical Instruments and Equipment.”

This, in a nut shell, is what I’ve found during the course of my research. Anyone else have photographic evidence to share?

[BigRonFH]

Thank you, Brother Patrick. There are so many that wear the sutler patch you mention that I had doubts as to it's proper place on the uniform (if any). You've been a great help.

Ron Hopkins
Co. D, 13th US Inf.
Unity #130
Sioux Falls, SD

[mrgrzeskowiak]

Not to change the subject.. I did not want to start a new thread...

I see many sutlers selling the masonic canteen covers.. obviously these are not correct, right? The S&C measurments are 4.5in x 6 in.....

[Will Eichler]

Brother Mike,

I think the best watchword that can be given for masonic emblems on the person for our time period is subtle. If that's correct, your deduction easily follows.

I'd stay away from large S&C on canteens (and on gauntlets while we're at it).

Fraternally,

Will Eichler

[Jimmayo]

There is currently some postings here
http://www.thetreasuredepot.com/cgi-bin/relic/relic_config.pl?#12462
for folks that have dug masonic emblems. Many of the posts are from CW sites. I thought it would interest the Masons on the forum. This treasure depot forum gets lots of posts so if you arn't looking on Aug 17 at 1400 eastern standard time you may have to page down a bit.

[Bushrod Carter]

Jim,

THANKS for that link! There is some GREAT stuff on that dug relics forum!

Brothers, if you haven't been over there - GO! NOW! It is a long scroll list but there are some fantastic dug Masonic relics. I will try and copy some of the better pictures over here to this thread - but,. don't let that stop you for visiting the link Jim posted!

Jim, Thanks again for the link!

[Bushrod Carter]

Ok, some great stuff over on the dug relics forum. Below is my favorite. This is COOL and another example of a period device WITH the "G"!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is another from the Dug Relic Forum...

How would you like to find something like this?

[FlatLandFed]

Brother Bushrod,

Yes, indeedy, I would like to find a ring such as that! As per an earlier discussion on men's rings, do you think this is sized for a man's pinky finger, not the modern "wedding band" digit?

Ever forward,
Paul Hadley
College View Lodge 320, AFAM

[51stNCVCo.K]

Mr. Craddock

What are some good words, terms, or phrases to use while searching google/ebay for Masonic devices and photographs of the Civil War period.

Taylor McCullen
51st NC Co.K
&
Iron Gray mess

Phoenix lodge #8
AF&AM
Fayetteville NC

[mrgrzeskowiak]

Don’t exactly know the date on this S&C but it has a “C” clasp attachement. Picked this little gem up at a local antique mall when I was looking for pre WWII Navy Chief Petty Officer memorabilia/insignias.



Bro. Justin, why don’t you share that sterling silver S&C lapel/tie fob you picked up at the Nashville CW Show?


I have a replica of this pin, without the G in the middle. correct to wea on a coat or vest? I just put up for sale my 'mainstream' masonic patches. Any other brothers wish to share how they identify themselves as a mason.. ? any pictures? Thanks!

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Hadley,
Yes, I think I would still term that a signet (pinky) ring. However, I cannot say with absolute authority with this ring as there was no good description on the Dug Relics Forum.


Brother McCullen,
When I do an eBay search I simply enter "masonic antique." You will have to cut through two or three pages of stuff but it is more likely to narrow down what you are interested in than simply searching "masonic" and getting 20+ pages of stuff! Hope this helps


Brother **********************,
I think a replica of that pin would be much more appropriate than the patch.

Many of the Brothers I know will identify themselves in very subtle ways. Most of us in the Widows' Sons Mess wear a small silver S&C fob on our watch chains. Others have stitched a small S&C somewhere on or in our uniform coat (see the interior patch pocket pictures I added earlier in this thread). Still others will wear a small S&C on the center knot of a bow tie. I've seen really nicely done small stick pins with an engraved S&C. And finally, a few wear small period correct signet rings with the S&C engraved in a period manner.

The one thing that everyone should get out of the above description is the word SMALL. The vast number of originals that I have seen and photos I've seen of soldiers wearing a Masonic device show a SMALL emblem. In fact, about the largest device I have seen is the dug 1857(?) quarter - pictured on page 12 of this thread.

I will try and add photos of many of these suggestions in a following post.

[Bushrod Carter]

I Any other brothers wish to share how they identify themselves as a mason.. ? any pictures? Thanks!

Brother Mike,

I can't speak for the other Brothers, but below are photos of different emblems I use to identify myself to the Brethren. Of course I do not wear all of these at one time, but often I will wear two of the above. Notice the size of all of these.

Please feel free to ask questions.

Image #1: This is a small silver signet ring. I found a trade silver merchant at a Colonial Trade Fair and asked him to tweak one he had to met what I was wanting.

Image #2: This is a small breast pin that I attached to the center of a bow tie.

Image #3: This is a small breast pin that I will wear on a bow tie or the lapel of my vest.

Image #4: This is my watch, chain and fob.

Image #5: This is a close up of the Fob worn by those of the Widows' Sons Mess.

[jgr1974]

Where does the Widow's Son mess get their fobs?

The Mad Mick!!!

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Richards,

Sorry, but the fobs worn by the Widow's Sons Mess were a special order that aren't available to the public. I beieve they are are distributed now.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here are some more photos from the dug relic forum. The first is my favorite!

Image #1: Solid silver dug in Louisiana. The person who found it didn't say it was from a CW camp, but did say it was from an area with white inhabitants back to 1660 (I think). Still, I think this is a doozy of a cool S&C!

Image #2: This small unusual breast pin was dug in a TX Confederate camp. The digger didn't say, however, where that camp was.

[sgt sidd]

Hello all , I have made a repo apron, the Grand Lodge of VA has a Museum there and they have some in a case. They are neat to look at, What I can tell some where handed down through families. Some of the ones there are hand painted or sewn. The shape could change some but look the same. As today there is rules to go by. They used the aprons in the Lodge. and they were of great pride. If this helps let me know Robert S Lanier

[sgt sidd]

Hello I am having a apron made from a friend I know, I had one made at a shop that sells Masonic items in Richmond VA. they can make it, If you want to make a copy you will or should find and have a photo or how you want it made like. The Grand Lodge of VA has some that you can see and look at. Thank you Robert S Lanier:)

[Bushrod Carter]

I've heard a few members of the Widows' Sons Mess have their own reproduction aprons. :rolleyes: Maybe some will share pictures of them.

Maybe we'll see some of them at Rememberance Day!

[PvtSchultz]

Hey speaking of Rememberance Day, maybe we should all try to get together somewhere or sometime over the weekend? Would be nice to meet the Brethren on the level!

W. Bro Rich Schultz, PM
Clifton #203
Pvt, 6th NHV Co C

[BrianHicks]

For those not familiar with the Gettysburg Widows Sons Mess sponsored Widow's and Orphans Fund Table which will be at 9 Steinwehr Ave. on Sat 17 Nov. (Remembrance Day) here's an image from our efforts at the WIG's event at Shakers Village in Sept of last year:

[BrianHicks]

I've heard a few members of the Widows' Sons Mess have their own reproduction aprons. :rolleyes: Maybe some will share pictures of them.



Here's an image or two:

[BrianHicks]

And this is an image of an original mid 19th century apron:

[C.R. Henderson]

I wish my scanner worked right now but,
in looking through EOG Union, I came across a lapel pin containing what appears to be a shield with the S&C INSIDE the G. Look at page 104 on Lt. Col. Augustus W. Corliss' frock coat just under the strap of his field glass case. Thought I'd bring this to y'all's attention.

Chris

[Bushrod Carter]

Chris,

...and me with ALL my books packet up at the moment! I will feel quite foolish as many times as I've thumbed through that book if it IS a S&C! Man! Talking about right before your eyes!

Ok, here is today material culture post. I pulled these pics off eBay just this past wekeend. This is a gutta percha ambrotype case dating from c1860.

Now, who still wants to have the argument that "they didn't use the "G" inside the square and compasses before the War"?

[Justin Runyon]

I checked the photo in EOG today. Even after using my lens on the image, I can't say that that is a masonic emblem.

[Bushrod Carter]

I was just looking over the earlier pages of this thread and found something I thought was interesting. Let's compare the collar box from page four of this thread to the Ambro case featured above.

Was one copied from the other? Were they produced by the same person / company? Thoughts?

[Bushrod Carter]

This is something pretty cool. Here is an original photo from eBay The third pic is of a similar apron being worn in the photo. The 3rd pic IS NOT the same apron worn in the photo, but looks as if it could have been made by the same artict.

[sgt sidd]

I have a question to ask, the apron is it , cotton, leather or what fabric, was used in it? There is no G in the center, I know that the G was used some times and not. Very nice . Robert S Lanier

[jgr1974]

Hello friends Brothers, and fellow reenactors,

I have had an interest to make a Masonic "dress uniform". My plan is black frock pants vest white pleated shirt. Haven't deciced on kepi or forage cap, but will defineatly have the S&C Patch on it. Even looking ot the fancy embroidered gauntlets for special occasions. Of course an apron is in the works. My question is this anyone ever seen an original buckle with a Masonic motiff? I thought of having one made on the common spoon type design. Instead of a US or CS in the center the S&C with or without G. If I had one made this would be a "fantasy" piece per say as I have not seen an original. It would be something made by a local jeweller, as was common at the time, on a contract basis maybe from the local Lodge. I will get to the poin, and stop rambling. I basically have two questions, anybody seen an original period Masonic buckle, and is there a market if I have some made up? Anone else interested? Also, anyone know a good source for a CW era sword repro or original? Most I see on ebay are 1870+.

The Mad MIck!

[BrianHicks]

Jeremy,

Other than the dress uniform worn by the Knights Templars of the York Rite degrees, I've never seen, or heard of a Masonic Dress Uniform in any period sources (but admittedly... I am not that thoroughly educated on period dress of our Masonic ancestors). What are you basing your Dress Uniform off of? I'd be interested, if for nothing else, from and educational perspective.

[TATTOOS1]

Greetings brothers from bonnie Scotland
I do living history, civilian, and a CS soilder 43rd nc.
When I was over in the US a few years back, I picked up a two piece spoon and wreath buckle (civil war style) in a relic shop, its just the tin front, the lead had not been poured into it yet, also a masonic manual dated 1858, I'll try and post a picture later,
Hoping a brother can put a date to the buckle
All the best
Bro Bill Brown
Lodge friendship 1712
Edinburgh
Scotland.

[Vuhginyuh]

Some artifacts of interest in Raleigh:


APRON 19XX.79.2
MASONIC APRON; WHITE SILK APRON WITH LIGHT BLUE TASSLES AROUND EDGES AND FLAP. LIGHT BLUE SILK RIBBON FOR TIE BACK. ON FRONT ARE HAND PAINTED IMAGES OF A BEEHIVE, TWO COLUMNS, STARS…

http://ncmuseumofhistory.org/MOH/vfpcgi.exe?IDCFile=/moh/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=84883,DATABASE=51821549,


MASONS JEWEL 19XX.79.1
MASONIC MASTERS JEWEL OF RICHARD CASWELL, MASONIC SYMBOL OF COMPASS & SQUARE W/ ROUND GOLD MEDALLION IN CENTER, ENGRAVED ON LEFT ARM OF RULER IS "WSHPF BRO'" ON RIGHT ARM IS "WINSTON CASWELL".

http://ncmuseumofhistory.org/MOH/vfpcgi.exe?IDCFile=/moh/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=5614,DATABASE=52111924,

* * * * *

The apron is a conservation priority at this time, here is a link for those that might be interested in donating specifically to that artifact.

http://www.ncmuseumofhistory.org/adoptanartifact/index.html

* * * * *

[Mojo1842]

Interesting to note, just like todays Aprons which are prevalent in Europe, you can note the presence of the three rossettas, and the two hanging 'tassle' like items.
Brethren,

I can attest to that as we have as a dual member a Brother from the province of Somerset and his apron has the tassles and rosettes also. Our officer aprons, however, are not so elaborate. We still have sets dating back to the mid-nineteenth century and I must admit having a thing for the old style silver fringe on them.

I've been meaning to take a camera with me to Lodge one night and get some pictures of Bro. (and Brevet Brig. Gen.) Durbin Ward's Masonic cane and MWB Thomas Corwin's Knights Templar regalia. Nothing like having a fraternal connection to the war on display.

WB Scott McGowan,
Past Master, Lebanon Lodge #26
Lebanon, OH

[Bushrod Carter]

Garrison,

Those are fantastic images!

The apron was made (I think) by an New England artist - most likely from Massachusettes. I have images of FOUR other aprons made by the same artist, all with the same design, with slight differences in the apron construction. THREE of the aprons are in MA and the other is in Nashville at the Grand Lodge of Tennessee.

Brothers, I'd like to point out something about the jewel. Has anyone else noticed that the jewler used a framing or "3 - 4 - 5" square? Very interesting

Thanks again Garrison!

[Bushrod Carter]

I'll try and post a picture later,
Hoping a brother can put a date to the buckle


Brother Brown,

post those pics and we'll try and help you out!

[Justin Runyon]

Ahh Bro. Craddock, our 3-4-5 conversation rides again. :)

[Vuhginyuh]

I have an apron from my father's family that’s similar to Caswell's in every fashion except for the color of the body, it's much darker. I’m still trying to find the time to pull it out of safe storage for a quick digital image or two.

[Bushrod Carter]

Garrison,

Would LOVE to see that apron! Especially if it is my the same artest as that pictured above! Maybe I could fill in some blanks about the apron for you...if I could see a pic of it (nod, nod, nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

Anyway, tomorrow I'm giving a lecture presentation I've put together called "The Evolution of the Masonic Apron in America: 1750 to Present." Brother Hicks has seen it before, didn't fall asleep and lived to tell about it. I hope this version is as fun as the last!

[33rd VA Co. H]

Gentlemen,
Here are a few more Masonic artifacts my associates have excavated... cuff links to be specific. The first one was found "somewhere in Pensylvania". The second, "somewhere in Kentucky" and the third from northern Frederick County in Virginia.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is something special for all you Royal Arch Masons.

Enjoy!

[TATTOOS1]

greetings from bonnie scotland

here are the photos of the masonic buckle (I HOPE) any info would be great.
bro bill
1712 friendship
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[TATTOOS1]

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[TATTOOS1]

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[BrianHicks]

I think I may have found your image:



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[jgr1974]

Brother Brown,

Thank you for the post!!!! That is an awesome find!!! Exactly the type of buckle I was hinking of!!! Have any odea of age??? It has a nice construction of the types used prior to the war-assembled in multiple pieces. Also Intersting is it was probably a "stock" type buckle with a plain face. The Masonic S&C were then applied per customers reguest. Militia buckle had this same type of application for numbers, letters, etc.

I would love to talk to you more of this buckle!!! I will pm you later!

The Mad Mick!!!

[TATTOOS1]

Bro Hicks
How did you manage to find my photos??
i tried to put them on but i must be doing something wrong.
i thank you bro.

bill
1712 friendship
Edinburgh Scotland

[TATTOOS1]

bro Jeremy
the only information concerning the masonic buckle i have is what the civil war relic shop i got it from told me, they said it was a period buckle or before the war i do not have any other information. I was hopeing some one could help me put a date to it!!.
all the best
bro bill
1712 friendship
edinburgh
scotland

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is a GREAT image I wanted BADLY off of eBay. Unfortunately, someone else wanted it more badly than I.

This is the FIRST image I've seen on eBay with an identifiable S&C worn on the breast of a uniform -- and only the TENTH image I've seen (in TWELVE YEARS OF LOOKING) of a soldier wearing an identifiable Masonic device.

Unfortunately he is unidentified.

Enjoy!

[PvtSchultz]

With Veteran's Day coming up tomorrow and Remembrance Day next weekend, I thought I would share something with the brethren that ties what we love, our fraternity, our love of history and desire to pay respect to our veterans.

As past master of Clifton Lodge #203 F&AM, I made it a point to bring as much light as I could into the lodge room. To that endeavor, I would regularly present papers (both historical and/or masonic) that illustrated certains lessons I felt were important or were tied to an upcoming holiday or current event. In my quest for further light, I came across an informal degree which could be used in lodge to pay repsects to the veterans of this fine country of ours. It is called "The Empty Chair Degree 1875" and was put together by the research lodge Frontier Army Lodge of Masonic Research 1875 and is recognized by the GL"s of both North & South Dakota.

I hope to include the PDF file of the degree with this message for those who wish to use it or just read for their own enlightenment; if for some reason I cannot attach it here is the web link: http://www.iowamasoniclibrary.org/webforms/Downloads/Vacant%20Chair%20Degree.pdf

When I presented this degree during my year in the East, I included as many of the brethren who were also veterans as I could. I used a chair draped in black and purple, obtained a plain white apron form my Secretary and in addition to the other items listed for the degree, I put together a small selection of service ribbons to represnt as wide spread focus (different wars/branches) as I could. Helps to have a veteran or two help you on this one. When done, I made a shadow box witht he apron and other items and had it displayed in the hallway to serve as a constant reminder of those who answered our nations call.

I am looking foward to seeing the brethren next weekend and will have a hard copy of the degree in case any wish to see it. Any questions on the use of this, please feel free to shoot me a message and I will gladly help you out.

Fraternally,

W. Bro Rich Schultz, PM
Clifton #203

[GWagner]

Gander at this pin. Exquisite!

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/Masonic_Pin_with_Braided_Hair.htm

[TATTOOS1]

GREETINGS FROM BONNIE SCOTLAND
bros
JUST GOT THIS 1860s, C-CLASP PIN

Bill
FRIENDSHIP1712
W S MESS

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Bill,

NICE pin! Sorry I haven't replied to your e-mail. MANY things happening here these past few weeks. I'll write soon.

Here is an entry for a rainy day. Enjoy!

[Vuhginyuh]

Lustreware decorated earthenware jug. River Wear Pottery, Sunderland or Garrison kilns. Sunderland, England.
Violet cast glaze crisply printed on each side with Masonic poems and “Mason's Arm’s.” on the obverse.
7.5’’ in height and 8.75’’ inches from spout to handle edge. ca1825.

On the sides:

Port

In conversation with a Friend,
A social hour to pass.I’ll not forget my latter end,
How swift is time alas;
With caution walk our future way,
Our work will soon be done.
Let Friendship reign while here we stay,
And evil speak of none.

& Starboard

When This you fee, remember me
And keep me in your Mind
Let all the world fay what they will
Speak of Me as you find.

______________________________________________

[Vuhginyuh]

See also:
http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?p=83283#post83283

[TATTOOS1]

Geetinngs from bonnie scotland
Bros
Another c-clasp pin from the 1860s,
now for the good news, my local jeweller reckons he can reproduce this pin
in gold or silver.
I have him making a silver one at the moment i'll post it when finished.
bro bill
friendship 1712.
W S MESS

[BrianHicks]

Bro. Bill,

If he can reproduce them, and the quality is a spot on match for the original, would you be willing to work with a few of us to get several made, and sent over?


Bro. Brian Hicks
Arabian Lodge #882
Hiram Lodge #7

[TATTOOS1]

Bro. Brian
no problem i will look at the quality and send you one over and we can take it from there.
bill 1712
W S MESS

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Bill,

That pin looks GREAT! I can't wait to see how the ones your jeweler is making turn out.

BTW, did you get my e-mail about our W&O Table at Remembrance Day? Sorry it took me so long to get that posted to you.

Here is a nice little silver snuff box I found on eBay. It stamps date the box to 1832. It can be yours if you have an extra $1K sitting around needing to be spent.

[Ken Cornett]

Pat, that box is really cool!

Bill, I'd be intrested in the pins as well.

[thad gallagher]

If there would be an order put together for the pin, I would like to go in on it as well.

[51stNCVCo.K]

I would like to throw in on the pins as well.

[PvtSchultz]

Bill if you get to the point with your jeweler that orders can be taken, count me in. Loved to have that pin to wear out to Lodge and in the field.


W. Bro Rich Schultz, PM
Clifton Lodge 203 F&AM

[crabby]

I too am interested. But thinking out loud.... would gold not be a more correct piece of jewelry, just based on my observations of period items, there seems to be more pieces in gold than in silver. Any ideas, comments?

Bro. Crabb

[Scott Gutzke]

That pin is excellent. I might be interested as well.

[Will Eichler]

Bro. Bill,

Put me on the list for a pin as well.

Thanks.

Bro. Will

[TATTOOS1]

Greetings Bros
I think bro crabb has a piont a lot of period jewelry was rose gold, so i have instructed the jewelr to make a gold pin as well, that way we can look at them both then decide if they pass the AC test.
the original pin is 15 mm in diameter Thats the one he will be working from,It will take about a week to make one pin as they are hand made.
i will keep you all informd as the pins progress.

Have a great festive season from bonnie scotland
BILL .
FRIENDSHIP 1712 EDINBURGH, SCOTLAND.
43 NC.
W S MESS

[thad gallagher]

Bill,

Hope that it all works out. Thanks for your work on this. This is a great piece.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is something that went recently on eBay for more $$$ than I had.

The knife is dated 1865.

AH! Another example of the S&C with the "G".

Enjoy.

[Justin Runyon]

Here are a few that I had saved on a flash drive.

Left to right

1. Breast pin ID'd to a Cpt Paddock (NY Arty. I think). The heart around the pin is likely a post war addition.

2&3. Line engraved pendants.

[Vuhginyuh]

Is there anything to this?

Sterling tag, possibly American. 2'' X 1.3'' and widest points.

[Bushrod Carter]

Garrison,

There is nothing on that tag that says "Masonry" to me. I don't recognize it as being associated with any Masonic body or degree.

I have been wrong before, though - just once. :rolleyes:

[Hoosier Yank]

Geetinngs from bonnie scotland
Bros
Another c-clasp pin from the 1860s,
now for the good news, my local jeweller reckons he can reproduce this pin
in gold or silver.
I have him making a silver one at the moment i'll post it when finished.
bro bill
friendship 1712.
W S MESS

Keep me in mind also if and when they become available.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is a nice little gea-gaw that was recently on eBay.

This is a pipe tamper with a length of approx. 5"

I wunder how hard it would be to make one of these?

Enjoy!

[jgr1974]

Well,

I am not bragging, well ok yes I am look at this awesome sword belt buckle I just won!!! Not sure of age, will have to inspect closer when I get it. Looks of heavy cast CW type or Maybe just post. If It is a good buckle, I may look into having some cast reproductions made-anyone interested???

The Mad MIck!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140194225586&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=004

[FlatLandFed]

So, does the Tyler wear this? Would think a KTemplar would have a different sort of buckle. I suppose a post-war possibility would be for an honor guard member.
Who knows?
Paul Hadley
To Be Installed as JW on Wednesday Mess

[jgr1974]

Congratulations sir!!!

I would assume it is was for parades, or Grand Lodge events. They actually dressed in there finery and had "parade days" set asside with picnics etc.

The Mad MIck!!

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Hadley,

I think what you have there is a really nice example of parade/public wear dating from 1890 to 1940.

I have also seen some interprising capitalistic Brothers sale something VERY similar to less knowledgable people as being a "Civil War" belt plate. I think something that distinquished would have made several reference books about CW belt plates before now if it had been from the period.

It is a very nice buckle, I just don't think it translates into our time frame.

[Bushrod Carter]

Ok, this is a bit before our period. However, I think most will be interested in this.

This is an apron supposedly owned by Brother Andrew Jackson - President of the U.S.A. and Grand Master of Masons in the State of Tennessee. I believe this is in the collection of The Hermitage.

Anyone wish to speculate on the design? I'd love to hear what others think because I have no idea!

Enjoy!

[Bushrod Carter]

Is this something we need to see more of in our civilian impressions? Also, is this a "better" way to wear a S&C in our military impression? I'll have to go back and reread the discription of how the S&C was worn as quoted earier in this thread, but I believe I remember one that says something to the effect "...his coat was torn open revealing a square and compass on his breast."


Here are a few passages from "House Undivided" about how and where Masons wore identifying badges:

Pg 49: “…he pointed to a Masonic pin in Colonel Raynor’s shirt-bosom.”


Pg. 54: “…observed a Masonic pin on the bosom of Colonel Wood….” This I am assuming to also mean on his shirt, as the colonel had been wounded and was being treated by a “enemy” doctor.


Pg. 118: “While adding him he noticed a Masonic emblem on the shirt of…”


Thoughts?

[MELowe]

Bro. Pat:

I recently had the chance to speak with a learned Brother, quite active in Philathates and the Scottish Rite Research society. He seemed to know of the design on the supposed Jackson apron. The rosettes are rather straight-forward; as is the square. The three other images, he said, are antiquated graphic representations of three foresworn and unhappy fellows who play an important role in a certain Craft degree . . . Seems logical enough, but its only one source.

S&F,

[Bushrod Carter]

Brother Lowe,

Well, I would have never put that together, but seems logical and appropriate. Hummmm. I can accept that. It cetainly is better than anything my little brain has come up with.

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is something I recently picked up on eBay. It is a CDV of a "Masonic Chart." I bought this to take to events for Masonic study. It has some fantastic detail, but let me tell you, I SURE HOPE some Brother has a magnifying glass! I suppose my eyes aren't now the same 21 year old eyes I had when I first viewed the Great Lights!

[Greg Barnett]

Brother Craddock,

I just wanted to let you know that I saw the Great Lights Monday night.
I am looking forward to future enlightenment and meeting more brethren.

I am also sending my wife to Central America to pick up Chinchilla and Alpaca material for the coat.

I also hope to share some of my Masonic material culture in the near future.

Cheers,

[BrianHicks]

Brother Barnett,

Welcome to the Masonic Family! For future reference, we here in Nashville have been conducting an Historic Civil War Degree during the fall of each year. Hopefully we'll conduct another this years as well. As newly made Mason, we'd be pleased to have you come down and participate.

We have also been recreating a period Widows and Orphans Fund table at which we raise money for Masonic Charities. If you'll shoot me an e-mail at: Brian_Hicks@usa.net I'll be pleased to add you to our e-mail list about such activities.

Fraternally,

Brian Hicks
Arabian Lodge #882m Dhahran, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, AF&AM
Hiram Lodge #7, Franklin, Tenn. F&AM

[Greg Barnett]

Brother Hicks,
Thank you for the welcome.
I would be very interested in participating in any activities that you fine fellars in Nashville produce.

I will send my email to you and I look forward seeing you again very soon.

Kindest regards,

[thad gallagher]

I have really enjoyed all of the posts and information that has been given. I do have a question that I can not seem to find an answer for. Has anyone come across what, if anything, a Freemason might have carried with him in the field. I know it would be very dependent on weight and where they might have been at the time. Would they have brought any books, or even had their apron tucked away in a knapsack?

[Justin Runyon]

Both of those things are entirely possible. Masonic Books, Almanacs, and newspapers were all quite popular in the 1860's.

I also know of one Lieutenants personal effects that were sent home to Illinois that contained an apron, so that fellow certainly carried his.

Craddock will be chiming in here shortly I would imagine

[Jerry Gouge]

Sirs,

I apologize in advance for the intrusion. I am not currently a Mason. It was my impression that the Mason's are a secret society. I have not actually heard a Mason talking about the group in public even though I have been around quite a few and have had relatives that were Masons. I only found out about my uncle being one at his funeral when his Mason brothers showed up to perform a ceremony.

My question is this, is it typical for discussion regarding the Masons to be open like evidenced on this thread?

I acquired Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry this past week. It appears to be a reproduction of an 1860s book. It sort of looks like it was printed by the same folks that did the Hardee's drill manuals back in the 1860s. It looks very interesting.

Jerry Gouge

[Bushrod Carter]

Jerry,

Yes, there are “secrets” that the Masons keep. However, the Masonic Fraternity is not a secret. In fact, all you have to do is drive down any given street in the US and you will see some sort of a sign either hanging on the front of a building or in the front yard of a building, with a big Square & Compass on it, to realize that a Masonic Lodge meets in that location. If the Masons were a secret society that didn’t want “others” to know who was a member, that seems a pretty BAD way to keep that membership a secret!

In the case of your Uncle, and I am only speculating here, he probably fell into the category of many Masons in this county who do (did) not retain/comprehend what the real secrets of Masonry are – and therefore feel they can’t say anything about the fraternity without spilling the secret beans. Many less knowledgeable Masons will take the “I’d tell you, but then I’d have to kill you” approach, simply because they don’t know what they can talk about without divulging any “secrets.”

Please do not confuse this thread as revealing any secrets of Masonry. This is just a thread of the material culture of Masons during the middle part of the 19th century. There is not a legitimate Mason in our hobby, in the Craft in this country, or around the word, who would get on any Internet form and discuss the secrets of Masonry.

You will learn what most people consider the secrets of Freemasonry in the copy of Duncan’s Ritual that you purchased. In fact, a few minutes of Googling will bring numerous sites that document a lot more than almost any regular Mason would care for the uninitiated to have available. However, the true secrets of Freemasonry are not something found in print. It never has been, and never will be, and until a Man knocks on the door of Freemasonry and seeks admittance, those “secrets” will not be known to him.

I hope this has answered some of your questions about the Craft.

[PvtSchultz]

Justin & Thad,

I think what a Mason carried probably would have something to do with whether he was an enlisted or and officer, garrisoned or out on campaign. Some of the accounts I have read listed personal Masonic items as including a Bible and watch. Now if you were to ask if they may have carried a ritual book or not, my intial response would be to say no. While those of us in the craft know of such items now and possible own one or two depending on the Grand Lodge whose jurisdiction we fall under, I believe during the period in question the practice would have been mouth to ear.

Jerry regarding your question about being "open" with our discussion. Fortunately or not, most if not all of the fraternities secrets, mysterious and benefits can be found in libraries and the internet. The discussions taking place are fine for those of us within the craft as long as we keep them within due bounds and by that I mean limit our discsusions to what we know to be "public" areas of our ritual etc. Ask a question and we will answer to the best of our abilities; ask about one of our "secrets" such as ritual work, then we will remain silent. Duncans is a nice reference book for Mason and non-Mason; own one myself along with others. I can only speak for myself when I say, being a Freemason was never about walking in public "bragging" that I belonged to the fraternity. It was about friendship and doing things charitable but doing so in a silent manner. I enjoy doing things for others without ever letting them know it was me. Sort of pay foward mentality, besides I think the recipient of the charity enoys it all the more when it is done that way. I know I do. Charity for the sake of charity and not for bragging I say.


Fraternally Yours,
Rich Schultz, PM
Clifton Lodge #203

[thad gallagher]

Here is some pictures of a pin I recently purchased on e-bay. I was having a hard time getting a decent photo of it and ended up having to scan it. The description had said it was inlaid with onyx. It is a bit larger than dime size. Not sure how period it is, but either way I thought it was a sharp pin and a little different.

Thad

[thad gallagher]

Thank you for the information about my question about items in the field. I had similar thoughts on the matter, but I figured someone else more versed in the matter could confirm these.

Thad

[Bushrod Carter]

I have really enjoyed all of the posts and information that has been given. I do have a question that I can not seem to find an answer for. Has anyone come across what, if anything, a Freemason might have carried with him in the field. I know it would be very dependent on weight and where they might have been at the time. Would they have brought any books, or even had their apron tucked away in a knapsack?

Brother Thad,

In a nut shell, without getting too deep into specific individual instances, I agree with Bro. Runyon – aprons, pins, and books would have been the extend for individual Brothers to have carried during the war. Of these a Masonic device of some sort would have been the most prominent. A Square & Compass, of some shape or form, would have been the most commonly found “equipment” of a Freemason. Small and lightweight, easy to show or conceal, a small S&C pin could be worn on the breast of a uniform or attached to the inside if discretion was desired. A S&C could also be embroidered on or inside a jacket or on the sleeve or bib of a shirt.

The “Lt” that Brother Runyon was referring to, I think, was Capt. Kellog. He died during the war and all of his personal effects were sent home in a trunk and placed in an attic. Just recently this truck was found and a description of the contents became a series of articles in the Camp Chase Gazette. One thing that was misidentified was what the author termed a “dinning bib.” However, and Mason that read the article and the description of the “bib” immediately recognized it as a plain white Masonic apron. I have also seen two images of Federal soldiers wearing Masonic aprons while in uniform. One is in a private collection and the other is published in Dr. Gordon Dammon’s “Medical Instruments of the Civil War, Vol. II”. The image in Dammon’s book is misidentified as hospital stewards. They are obviously a group of 5 (I think) Federal soldiers wearing Masonic aprons.

Also, with the number traveling military Lodges operating under dispensation during the war, the number of Brothers serving in the armed forces of each nation would indicate that there would have been a need to carry their own aprons with them. Here is a breakdown by state with the number of traveling Lodges operating under dispensation from that Grand Jurisdiction:

United States:

Connecticut 1
District of Columbia 4
Illinois 18
Indiana 38
Maryland 1
Massachusetts 11
Minnesota 1
Nebraska 1
New Hampshire 5
New York 9
Ohio 8
Rhode Island 1

TOTAL: 98

Confederate States:

Alabama 19
Arkansas 16
Florida 3
Georgia 19
Louisiana 2
Mississippi 29
North Carolina 6
Texas 33
Virginia 26

TOTAL: 153

GRAND TOTAL: 251

This number only illustrates those States whose Grand Lodge actually issued dispensations for traveling Lodges. You will notice that Tennessee isn’t listed. That is because the Grand Lodge of Tennessee didn’t grant any dispensation for traveling Lodges. However, it is obvious that thousands of Tennessee Masons took up arms and went to war, and I’m sure that those Brothers WANTED to be identified and enjoy the benefits of the craft should they be found needing them.

Ok, all that was said to argue that, yes, I think Masons would have carried their aprons with them. This is NOT to say that ALL Masons carried their aprons along, but I do feel that aprons are something that should be represented within our hobby.

[Bushrod Carter]

Thad,

Here is why it took me a caouple days to reply. I've been working on this 1790s apron for a fellow in Indiana. It is copied from an original in my collection (third photo). I still have to color it in before it is finished, though.

What to you think?

[jgr1974]

To parallel what Bro Bushrod says, almost all can be learned of Masonry as long as one is willing to pursue whether seeking the information in books, or knocking upon the door of a lodge to see the Great Light. If you are that curious and want to find out you can. I have spoken with Men who shown an interest in the Fraternity, I told them if they really wanted join but were skeptical of Freemasonry then to go to the library first. Usually after they do so, they gain a greater interest to see the Light. Masons are bound by oathes to not reveal the secrets of the Fraternity, but not to discuss general information of the Fraternity. I welcome all new Brothers, and all good men of interest to the Fraternity! There is a saying in Masonry to be one ask one (2B1ask1). For many years Masons were prohibitted from actively recruiting members. The desicion to join was of the man himself. As of the past few years many states have change the by laws to allow recruiting. My stat is one. Though it is frowned upon!!!!

Hope my 2 cents helps!!!
Bro Jeremy G Richardson
Watson Il Lodge 602

aka The Mad MIck!!!

[Scott Gutzke]

Brother Craddock,

A brother found this "Masonic War Certificate (http://www.64thill.org/Masonic_War_Certificate.pdf)" while researching a doctor who served with an Illinois regiment. It was issued by the Grand Lodge of IL, AF&AM to serve as a set of credentials for brethern serving in the military. I would imagine that other Grand Lodges did the same thing, but have never seen another example.

[Jerry Gouge]

Patrick,

"I hope this has answered some of your questions about the Craft."

Thanks for the clarification. I have known three Masons as close personal friends. All were considerably older than myself. As I said they did not talk about it. I did one point ask two of them (within the last 10 years) about Masons and they gave me a very small tid bit of information. Basically something about learning how to live a good life (good as in honorable and Christ like gist), nothing in the way of secrets of course.

I have bought a few books to see what more I can learn. What interests me is if there are secrets to be learned sort of like zen or taoism or ghnosticism or are they just organizational secrets. If they are of the former type then I think being a Mason would be quite rewarding. The quest to attain a moral and spiritual framwork in which to live is a very admirable endeavor. I guess I should go ahead and read the books rather than let them just gather dust and then I might learn something.

Thanks again for the clarification.

Jerry Gouge

[Jerry Gouge]

Rich,

"It was about friendship and doing things charitable but doing so in a silent manner."

Thanks for your response. I agree charitable giving absent the possibility for received gratitude is the purist form of giving. Then one is only doing it for the receiver and the gratification for the giver comes from enhancing their opinion of themself for doing what is right. Giving with strings attached is poor form.

Thanks again,

Jerry Gouge

[TATTOOS1]

Greetings from bonnie Scotland.
bro Thad

The brothers in the field might have carried a copy of Macoy`s Masonic Manual
this manual shown here might have been used I picked it up on one of my visits to the states

Also brothers the pin is under construction i will keep you informed.

Bill
FRIENDSHIP 1712 EDINBURGH,SCOLAND
W S MESS

[Bushrod Carter]

A brother found this "Masonic War Certificate (http://www.64thill.org/Masonic_War_Certificate.pdf)" while researching a doctor who served with an Illinois regiment. It was issued by the Grand Lodge of IL, AF&AM to serve as a set of credentials for brethern serving in the military. I would imagine that other Grand Lodges did the same thing, but have never seen another example.

Brother Gutzke,

Thanks for sharing that "War Certificate." I have seen a couple others of similar design, but haven't had a chance to get photos of any.

I believe several Grand Lodges printed similar certificates during the war. I can only imagine that it would have come in VERY handy should a Brother have found himself in a rather bad position. :rolleyes:

I have also seen copies of similar certificates issued to Brothers joining the armed forces during WWI. They were printed in English, French AND German - all on the same certificate!

[Bushrod Carter]

Here is something that I think everyone will enjoy.

Again, this is a prime example of period Masonic devices being SMALL!

Oh! and you will notice that this is a PIN and NOT a FOB - ala no watch chain.

Unfortunatly, the Brothers name and unit are lost to time.

Please, speak up with what you think.

[Bushrod Carter]

And, for grins and giggles...

Here is the finished product of the 1790s apron I posted mid-constructio