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DougCooper
01-19-2008, 10:05 AM
Comrades - Currently recruiting campaigners who wish to portray western federal soldiers for At High Tide June 27-29 in Gettysburg. Jim Moffett, Western Brigade commander in the First Federal Division, is organizing an 8-10 company regiment that will portray western soldiers within the Army of the Potomac. Current plans are for our battalion to portray a regiment of the Iron Brigade on July 1st, the 1st Minnesota on July 2nd and a regiment of Carroll's Brigade (Ohio, Indiana or West Virginia) July 2nd on Cemetery Hill.
There will be a battalion full ration issue and we are planning a march to the event site through the battlefield itself.
Company commanders for AHT will be selected at a later date and depend upon the interest generated. Other units across the country currently planning to attend in our regiment include the Potomac Legion, 1st and 2nd Minnesota, SCAR, etc. Current plans call for two 30-35 companies, one organized by Jim Butler of SCAR and the other by Terry Sorchy, Skip Owens and I from the usual suspects. If interested, please contact one of the following:
Doug Cooper at coop2911@msn.com,
Terry Sorchy at terry_sorchy@hotmail.com
Jim Butler at unionguy1@comcast.net.
Please see the event website at http://www.wmhf.org/athightide/ Terry Sorchy and I are attending the NSA meeting in Nashville next week to gather more information on the event. Stay tuned.
Like me, if you have long ago given up on finding a reenactment at Gettysburg that features real standards and accurate scenarios wrapped into a regimental level experience, this is your chance.
Thanks
MLovejoy
01-19-2008, 05:02 PM
Does anyone think my first cousin would buy this as a legitimate reason to miss her wedding? This sounds like an awesome thing...wish I could partake.
RJSamp
01-19-2008, 06:39 PM
This will be a ton of fun Doug. We've already got two brigade class buglers lined up for you.....and two bugle savvy skirmisher companies that can dance in any direction at 500 yards to the sound of a bugle.
Thomas Alleman
01-19-2008, 07:58 PM
If it is Iron Brigade make it 24Th MI. they took a hell of a beating but held. Also that is my GGGrandfathers unit. Co. G, John Henry Terry, wounded at Petersburg, he did though miss G-burg dues to sunstroke on the way there. It was said to affect him the rest of his life with blackout. Hell I will do any unit in the Iron Brigade, except maybe the 19Th IN, yeah OK them also.
MarkTK36thIL
01-20-2008, 01:58 AM
Doug, how will the cost of rations be covered? Our original fee or something extra?
DougCooper
01-20-2008, 06:28 AM
Mark - the fee for the rations is covered in the registration fee for the First Federal Division here: http://registration.firstfederaldivision.com/
We will be registering via this link for the event. Rations are being handled by Chef Charles, so you know that will be done right. I think it is safe to say that period, documented rations on this scale is something new in this hobby, and it will be an education for all of us on how the army worked.
To all - I am not privy at this level yet which units are being considered for the the Iron Brigade and Carroll's Brigade but will forward all ideas up the chain. I presume that will be discussed at next week's NSA meeting so get your druthers in this week via e-mail.
Gettysburg is such a sweeping epic of a battle that one of the best ways to learn what really happened is the extensive pre-event research on not just one but 3 different units, and then bringing those units alive in the field. A huge pat on the back for Chris Anders at avoiding Pickett's Charge and choosing Cemetery Hill. IMO, the first two days of the battle is where the issue really hung in the balance.
Thanks RJ - good tooters will rule with a regimental sized unit like that planned. Outpost x 3 as it were.
Jack Dixon
01-20-2008, 09:12 PM
Hey R.J,
Make sure your guys know Rally on the Reserve, because when the Gray Avenging Hand of God comes across the field, In Retreat March is going to be way too slow.
Hey are you coming to the Music School at Pamplin? It's going to be a lot of fun.
DougCooper
01-28-2008, 11:25 PM
Gents I just returned from the annual NSA meeting where Chris Anders forwarded a brief to the assembled on the event. This just may be the most highly scripted event of its kind I have yet seen, and that includes all levels of events back to 1987.
The lay of the land (Gettysburg movie site adjacent to the GNMP) lends itself well to the scenarios Chris has selected. These were hard fought engagements that were not giant panoramas like Picket's Charge but phased battles with units of both sides being fed in over time. Timing will be critical and tightly controlled. The principles are conducting a weekend long walk through of the land using the OR's from the battle to ensure each movement/engagement is placed in its proper order in time and the ground that corresponds mostly with the Park itself. In fact, the weekend is an "offsight" type format with everyone staying together in a hotel to ensure no distractions can effect the effort. In a somewhat refreshing return to what used to work, both sides will also have another comprehensive walk through together in the days prior to the event. There is no better way to remove any doubt as to what and how it will happen, and ensure there will be no possible excuse for breaking scenario.
With the ultra detailed medical scenario (see separate thread), in depth impression and scenario info to come and just the whole way this thing is being planned, it appears to me that Chris and staff have thought of everything. He has a team of 20 folks who are the core planners, with a number of folks assisting. Its kind of refreshing when the planners appear to have more answers than we have questions. Then again, he has been doing the big event thing for a while now.
I spoke at length with Jim Moffett, our regimental commander (and a real drill head), and he is working hard to ensure everything from camping to rations is planned well for we campaigners. The First Federal Division Staff under new commander Steve Dunfee (Army of the Pacific) has a comprehensive plan for improvement in both events and impression that could only come from a campaigner like Steve and a Staff of campaigners, including Mark Hernbroth (AoP) as COS and Dom dal Bello (AoP) as AAIG, and Jim Moffett (assisted by Rob Murray) in charge of the Western Brigade (the largest piece). Dom's elevation to AAIG is surely one of the more brilliant staff appointments in the history of the hobby. The guy litterally wrote the book for his job.
The bottom line is this event is a precursor to the 150th series of events. Ideas tried before (like the 24 hour medical scenarios for casualties and others) are being improved here to be standard practice for the 150th events. For those events to work, the entire hobby needs to work together. I know there are some folks who still won't want to be part of something bigger than a company even then...but believe me, when it works, its grand. Mr Anders and staff are working like dogs to raise the bar.
Again we are planning two companies of campaigners from the west, to join the Potomac Legion/Columbia Rifles companies from the east and others in an 8-10 company battalion. Register through the At High Tide website and indicate whether you want to fall in with Doug Cooper or Jim Butler's company of the Western Brigade. Get the forms and checks postmarked by Feb 16 ($25) before the price goes up to $30. This is a change from my note below - it is simply easier to have all troops register via the event website.
We are doing rations for the entire brigade, run by Chef Charles. Details to follow.
Stonewall_Greyfox
01-29-2008, 06:57 AM
Sounds Great! Does anyone know of a core CS campaigner group participating in the event?
DougCooper
01-29-2008, 11:44 PM
Boys on the rations - what I meant to say was that the rations are for our regiment. Regret any confusion. More to come from the boss.
Wild Rover
01-30-2008, 09:05 AM
Paul,
The Chesapeake Volunteer Guard is hosting folks on the CS side looking for a campaign home for the weekend...details forthcoming, but there will be ration issue and various other activities....check out our web site and drop me a line if you are interested.
Back to site planning....
Pards,
burt60
01-30-2008, 09:30 AM
A pard and myself fellin with the CVG during September Storm, Great group of guys, had a grand time and the food was well worth it.
Thanks again Chris looking forward to High Tide.
thad gallagher
02-10-2008, 11:40 AM
So with the new registration issues, as long as I register at the event site under the Western Brigade I will be included with the campaigners and the ration issue? Thanks for any input, I am just trying sort through the post and the notices on the FFD and WB sites.
Thad Gallagher
Jim Moffet
02-10-2008, 01:05 PM
That's right, Thad.
Register at the wmhf.org site. We are still working out the exact costs of the rations and corps badges, and will have an announcement up very shortly with the information as to final costs and where to post the check.
Jim Moffet
Colonel, Western Brigade
thad gallagher
02-10-2008, 03:54 PM
Thank you very much Colonel, I look forward to the upcomong information and campaign.
Thad Gallagher
Strawfoot
02-10-2008, 06:18 PM
The First Federal Division Staff under new commander Steve Dunfee (Army of the Pacific) has a comprehensive plan for improvement in both events and impression that could only come from a campaigner like Steve and a Staff of campaigners, including Mark Hernbroth (AoP) as COS and Dom dal Bello (AoP) as AAIG, and Jim Moffett (assisted by Rob Murray) in charge of the Western Brigade (the largest piece). Dom's elevation to AAIG is surely one of the more brilliant staff appointments in the history of the hobby. The guy litterally wrote the book for his job.
What is this? Dom doesn't have a command?
Mike Phineas
Arlington, TX
DougCooper
03-14-2008, 08:34 AM
Gentlemen, recruiting continues for the campaigner companies for At High Tide. The battalion registered list is over 150 thus far.
The rations form is being distributed through e-mail. This will be a full on authentic ration issue in period containers on Friday evening. For those of you not familiar with the folks involved with the rations, believe me this is not to be missed. Cost is $15 and that includes the rations and the corps badges.
Register at http://www.wmhf.org/athightide/registration.html and include "Western Brigade, Doug Cooper's company" in the blank.
Hope to see you in the ranks. Thanks.
jake.koch
03-18-2008, 10:13 AM
Do we send the $15 with the $30 registration or is there somewhere special to send the $15 to?
Jim Moffet
03-20-2008, 12:40 PM
Good Question - thanks for asking!
Registration for the AHT event is separate from the WB ration issue.
The ration form needs to be filled out and mailed under separate cover to the Western Brigade address. We are coordinating the ration issue for our battalion alone - not for the entire event!
To learn more about the rations, and to get an electronic copy of the form, go to the Western Brigade Website: http://westernbrigade.org/
Other information about our impression will be posted there, as well.
Jim Moffet
Colonel, Western Brigade
Rob Murray
03-20-2008, 06:44 PM
Folks,
There seems to be a technical glitch with the ration form. We are working on it.
Jim Moffet
03-21-2008, 01:36 PM
Technical glitch fixed!
Sorry for any inconvenience....it should work now.
Jim Moffet
Charles Heath
04-10-2008, 03:23 PM
Boys,
Spring has sprung, and a big ol' Gavia immeralit on my windowsill here at The Bunker, and told me the following useful information: "Chris got the conditional use permit last night. He need to get a letter from the ambulance service and post a $3000.00 bond, but he has the permit." This is great, as the event is now most likely going to happen, and it is a darn good thing to see an event of any kind get their permits and other happy hoohah in order this far in advance.
Okay, now to the meat of the matter....
Bread!
Fooled ya, huh? The hardy Minnesota fellows actually in Minnesota where summer lasts but a month, and winter hath eleven, have busted their third points of contact to crank out sufficient hardbread for this event, and, if I may be so bold as to say so, this portion of the ration issue came in under budget, and the quality should exceed that of the product from Bent's establishment, and may remind some of the old timers of the bygone days of Mechanical Baking's wonderful window shatterers. We have the sons and grandsons of Oly and Lena to thank for this labor of love, gross abuse of pizzaria ovens, and willingness to ship delicate flavored vittles in the diesl smoke filled luggage compartment of a charter bus. Hardtack has become the budget buster for many a ration issue in recent years, and with retail prices hedging closer to a buck a cracker, perhaps some competition is in order.
Meat!
She-who-makes-all-the-important-decisions-in-life and I packed a 136-pound batch of salt pork last Saturday, and from the sniff test a few minutes ago, all is looking well in the container. At the US Army rate of issue of a pound and a half of oinker for your two day stint in Adams County, PA, that is enough positively delicious pickled porcine product for roughly 9o brave souls. The second batch is going to be prepared during the evening of 15 April 2008, and the amount of meat, salt, and spring water will be determined by those who have actually paid, and not the HMIC's, will-calls, and IOUs in the cigar box.
The same Minnesota state bird on the windowsill also mentioned: "We have at this time 183 registered and 108 rations paid for." This tells me some folks expect a free meal, however, the smart money says only 27 pounds of fresh shoulder meat will be processed this coming Tuesday evening, unless some folks pony up some green in a hurry. As of this writing, two companies haven't paid a dime. I'm also noticing these unpaid folks are people who generally have eaten my rations before....wait....they may know something after all. Hmmm, nope, I'm not going to name any names, but you know who you are.
Coffee!
Unlike the CS forces across the field, you folks will receive actual coffee rather than chicory, sweet potato, okra, rye, persimmon seeds, burnt peanut hulls, mule hair, walnut sawdust, rat droppings, shop sweepings, etc. How long that coffee has been sitting in sacks, cans, buckets, and boxes in the reaches of the underground parking garage here at The Bunker is anyone's guess, but we suspect most of it is probably newer than 2001 vintage. On a more serious note, I suspect you folks will like the coffee, as the majority of the really old and nasty stuff will be going to the good folks signed up for Glendale-Malvern Hill.
Sugar!
What you do in the brothels of Fairfield, Greenmount, and Gettysburg on your own time is your business, but some tasty, goopy, runny, kinda-like-issued sugar will be provided for your amusement, as it tends to do all manner of wacky things in the hot sun of June and July.
Corps Badges!
A bargain at any price. You ever sit down with a packed public school classroom full of ADHD children to cut out hundreds of trefoils? Okay, so a number of them were encouraged to run with sharp scissors. Strongly, I might add.
Seriously, it is high time to get paid up for rations, and if it makes you feel any better, I, the great procrastinator, still need to register for this event. Say, is there a website for this thing? (Just kidding.)
Seeing how I'm not on the money collecting end of things, if you have any doubts about the status of your ration dollars, please email Rob Murray at rmmurray@charter.net for clarification. I'm sure he is going to love 100+ emails by COB today, so only email him only if you truly don't know.
Thanks!
DougCooper
04-10-2008, 05:12 PM
"positively delicious pickled porcine product "
Say that 10 times fast...:D
thanks Charles - we are all working like mad to collect the bucks for the grits. This will be a ration issue for the ages...which is to say, exactly like June 30, 1863 in a big field near Uniontown, MD.
Well done!
Rob Murray
04-16-2008, 09:42 AM
The last of the pork was salted last evening. We have a small amount of wiggle room. If you want to be involved in the ration issue and have not already paid, contact me first at rmmurray@charter.net
Wild Rover
04-16-2008, 09:57 AM
All,
Bond posted, letters turned in....full speed ahead.
Pards,
Rob Murray
05-06-2008, 05:48 PM
The ration form has been pulled from the Western Brigade website. Ration forms post marked May 5, 2008 will be accepted. If you would like to still take part in the ration issue, the cost is now $20.00 due to the increased price of the alternate pork source. You can reach me at rmmurray@charter.net
Charles Heath
05-09-2008, 09:48 PM
"...of the alternate pork source."
Somehow I couldn't help but think of these two porkers who have made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of the Inner Man.
10090
Haversack
05-20-2008, 02:40 PM
I may be interested.I am going to send an e-mail as soon as I get home in a few minutes.
BigRonFH
05-22-2008, 09:49 PM
I am registered, paid (including the ration allowance to our beloved Captain!) and will be there! We'll hang ol' Jeff Davis from a sour apple tree, by gum!
Ron Hopkins
Co. D, 13th US Infantry
(footsore)
GeraldDuval
06-11-2008, 01:00 AM
So I've already registered with a different mess, and I'll be falling in with them for the event. However, I was wondering if the march on friday is open to those not falling in with the AC campaigner brigade? Would it be possible to just show up and tromp around at the end of the AC column?
Spinster
06-11-2008, 09:04 AM
Mr. Williams,
Rob Murray is currently without an internet connection, a matter that should be remedied later on this week. He's likely the one who can answer your question. As always with NPS sites, the permit issued will limit what can be allowed.
In the meantime, here are the standards and schedule for that march:
http://westernbrigade.org/
BillO'Dea
06-11-2008, 12:12 PM
I doubt very much that it would be looked kindly for anyone "just showing up". Either by the park service or Col. Jim Moffet. One might contact him, ask permission and be assigned to a company
Bill O'Dea
Salt Boiler mess / 122nd NY
Charles Heath
06-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Rob O'Delaware,
Shoot Jim an email at hqwesternbrigade@yahoo.com, as Rob O'Moustache is in motion.
JEBminnesota
06-11-2008, 11:02 PM
I don’t know of any AC campaigner battalion that will be conducting the march on Friday the 27th. The Western Brigade and the Army of the Ohio are the two battalions marching. But don’t take my word for it, I don’t know anything.
Contact the adjutant of the WB, Rob Murray at rmmurray@charter.net. His e-mail is up and running again, or you can wait until he post on the AC. He watches this forum like a hawk when he is not drinking scotch.
flattop32355
06-11-2008, 11:23 PM
He watches this forum like a hawk when he is not drinking scotch.
Do not be fooled: Rob will drink with anybody, not just the Scotch.
The NPS has supposedly wanted to know just how many of us would be taking part in the march. Only God and bureaucrats know why, but there it is. If one intends to march, I'd suggest doing it as part of a component unit of the WB or AotO.
It is also supposed that, once assembled, there may be some drill/manoeuver done as part of or prior to the actual the march. I'm too low on the totem pole to know any details, but that's the scuttlebutt from the trenches.
The PITA of it all is getting everyone to the PA monument when no vehicles are allowed to stay there. Much running of shuttle vehicles will occur from the event site to get us all there.
And when the NPS says NO CAPS OR CARTRIDGES ALLOWED, it means exactly that, with the possiblility of legal trouble for those who forget or ignore the order.
Rob Murray
06-12-2008, 10:40 AM
ALL,
The Western Brigade has received a permit for a "Living History March" on Friday, 27 June, from the PA Monument at GNMP to the event site. This was to have been for "Western Federal Infantry" ie, the Western Brigade and Army of Ohio and troops joining their respective battalions for the AHT event. As it does not look like we will have 350 marchers, we are willing to open it up to a few "Eastern Federal Infantry".
We will be marching as one Regiment. Company officers will be chosen by Cols.' Moffet and Minton, WB and AoO respectively. If you would like to take part in this march, you will need to contact me at rmmurray@charter.net
The march organizers ( The Western Brigade) reserve the right to say no to any individual or group of individuals as they deem necessary.
There will be no more than 350 marchers. The permit AND logistics prevent this.
Here are the essential points.
* Limited to 350 Federal Infantry Enactors.
* Assemble at the Pennsylvania Monument between 10:00 AM and Noon on Friday
June 27. The march will commence at Noon.
* There is no parking available at the PA monument - you need to car-pool over
from the participant parking area at the AHT event site.
http://www.wmhf.org/athightide/aerial.jpg We would recommend that if a civilian
or non-marching member of your unit can drive, that would be best. There will
be a charter bus arriving from Minnesota ("Northfield Lines") that can ferry
some marchers over to the PA monument - like car pool drivers: DO NOT
automatically count on the bus for your ride.
* The march route is about 4 miles long. We will cross these historic
features: Plum Run, the Wheatfield, the Peach Orchard, the Emmittsburg Road,
Seminary Ridge and the Covered Bridge over Marsh Creek. We will end the march
at the event site by 4:00 PM - earlier if the weather is not too oppressive.
* ABSOLUTELY no cartridges or caps are permitted. Park Rangers WILL be
inspecting for these, and the fines are stiff. Make sure that ALL ammunition is
stored in your vehicle, or in arsenal ammunition cases and left at the event
site. Following the march, men will have some down time to retrieve ammo and
other items left at the event site.
* Edged weapons and pistols must remain in scabbards and holsters.
* Weapons are ONLY permitted on park property during the assembly (10:00 AM -
Noon) and during the march - and in our designated locations. If you plan to
visit the park before the march, or on Sunday, you MAY wear your uniform, but
you MAY NOT carry your weapon.
* This is a military march - commemorating in a very abbreviated form the
approach march of the Union Army to Gettysburg. Civilian reenactors are not to
follow along like a gaggle of camp-followers. Civilians can parallel our march
route in vehicles, take photos, etc.
* At this time, all men must be on foot.
* You may camp and park your vehicle at the AHT site on Thursday.
* If you are able, wear full marching order (including knapsack / bedroll) on
the march. If you do not feel that you will be able to make it that heavily
loaded, light marching order is permissible. Full canteens are REQUIRED.
* Captains are responsible for any litter generated by their company - pack it
out.
* Field music is encouraged to come on the march.
* As curious as this may seem to you, we are requested to NOT engage the
public. For a number of reasons, our march is not a traditional "Living History
Encampment" and therefore we are more supposed to be seen by visitors, rather
than talk to them about our activities. If a visitor approaches you, politely
answer their questions. Do NOT post interpretive 'narrators' if your company is
drilling, etc.
This is a rare opportunity to bear arms on some of the nation's most hallowed
ground. With the amendments we have received, it will also give us a good warm
up for the event, as we can drill and maneuvre as we cross the
fields of Gettysburg.
Remember, if you are registered with either the WB or AoO, you are already included.
Rob Murray
Western Brigade
Rob Murray
06-12-2008, 10:49 AM
Note to all.
The Western Brigade Ration registration will close Sat. June, 14th. Envelopes postmarked that day will be accepted. You've had your chance.
Charles Heath
06-14-2008, 04:57 PM
The Western Brigade Ration registration will close Sat. June, 14th.
Rob,
The modest sample pulled from each vat of salt pork has proven to both pleasing to the eye, and quite tasty. Yum!
FlatLandFed
06-14-2008, 10:12 PM
Yum, indeed! Looks like another winner. What vegetable fare is in the offing this time out, Mssr Heaf?
Cheers,
Paul Hadley
Proud survivor, 2nd Manassas LH (but caught no fish!)
Charles Heath
06-14-2008, 11:29 PM
. What vegetable fare is in the offing this time out, Mssr Heaf?
Paul,
The event rations are based on what the 1st Minn. was actually issued at Union Mills, MD, on the march up to G'burg with the 2nd Army Corps, as detailed in James Wright's memoirs: No more Gallant a Deed published by the Minnesota Historical Society in 2001. This book is a darn good Army of the Potomac enlisted man's account, and well worth reading. Those rations, as stated by someone who was there at the time of issue, were salt pork, hard bread, coffee and sugar. We are planning to issue the same. Foraged items, as this is not a flat haversack event, may vary considerably according to late June 1863 produce availability in that part of the world.
The poor fellows who have their work cut out for them are the company third sergeants. I'm glad not to be in their shoes.
DougCooper
06-30-2008, 12:41 PM
In case there is not a grits thread I just want to say: Charles, you done good at AHT. The rations were accurate as to type and quality and greatly added to the event. The compressed area you had to work with was a challenge, but you and "Mrs Thompson" and the assistants made this special.
The other thing I liked was the troops initially did not know there would be another issue the next day, so were busy Friday night trying to cook and then plan what to eat...just as it would have been. Personally, I don't know where you got those porkers but they trump all other porcines I have met on the victual scene in this hobby.
I have their late visages saved as a remembrance to their sacrifice for the Union. :)
Well done.
Spinster
06-30-2008, 04:57 PM
Thank you sir. Officers are rarely formally introduced to contract cooks, and the sounds of war are often deafening.
That would be "Mrs. Compson".
Perhaps you've met my son Benji somewhere along the way? He seems to corresspond with senior officers on occassion....
nrandolph
06-30-2008, 05:54 PM
Mrs. Lawson,
Thanks again for our "how to prepare and cook hominy" lesson you gave us Friday afternoon. The staff seemed to enjoy the hominy pretty well, even several commenting that they'd had it before and weren't crazy about it but enjoyed it Saturday morning. I had mine with brown sugar while Bill Watson had his with salt and pepper, and I saw some put molasses on it and declare it good.
It was a pleasure to meet and have some time to talk with you after reading many of your informative and entertaining posts on this forum. Thanks again!
Neil Randolph
1st WV
DougCooper
07-01-2008, 11:31 AM
Thank you sir. Officers are rarely formally introduced to contract cooks, and the sounds of war are often deafening.
That would be "Mrs. Compson".
Perhaps you've met my son Benji somewhere along the way? He seems to corresspond with senior officers on occassion....
Hah! Funny, we had a debate about the spelling and I settled on the one that was in the majority - wrong. I met him but did not make the connection other than he was a quite willing apprentice!
I re-learned the valuable lesson of lingering around the cook house and so kept our company well fed through the entreaties from you to eat more pork!! We sent at least 5 men from the company up there over the weekend with strict orders not to identify themselves other than "from the battalion."
The Switchel and Ginger Beer were tonics of inestimable value and the molasses and sorghum ditto. I imagine anyone stopping for a late lunch after the event felt a little wistful at being reduced to buying a #5 medium. ;)
Charles Heath
07-01-2008, 04:33 PM
In case there is not a grits thread I just want to say: Charles, you done good at AHT. The rations were accurate as to type and quality and greatly added to the event. The compressed area you had to work with was a challenge, but you and "Mrs Thompson" and the assistants made this special.
The other thing I liked was the troops initially did not know there would be another issue the next day, so were busy Friday night trying to cook and then plan what to eat...just as it would have been. Personally, I don't know where you got those porkers but they trump all other porcines I have met on the victual scene in this hobby.
Doug,
Quite a few people contributed to the Western Brigade's Commissary of Subsistence at Andersburg, and there is no dang way to thank them all without leaving out a few, but thanks go to Bev, Abby Walker, Bob Doer, Terre-with-an-E, Terri-with-an-I, Bill Bitting, The Burkholters, Rob Murray, Doug Oakes, Jeffy Henion, Sam Walton's Mercantile, Giant Eagle Market, Lotte's International, Brunswick Ag Co-op, Jim Moffet, "Kid Kommissary," "the human forklifts," the stalwart folks in Minnesota who baked the hardtack, and most especially "The Dave." Dave is a jewel in the rough, and any man with 27 years experience with M2 burner units ought to be able to figure out this business in a heartbeat. We speak the same language, as in "They had a kind of B-Ration back then. Remember those?"
This was proof we could issue battalion rations in a 4' x 10' area. As usual, I saved some numbers and odds and ends for a post-mortem, that may generate some chuckles. Company G gets a tip of the well worn dress hat for actually reading their pre-event info. If they didn't, then they sure faked it well.
Rob and I went over the spreadsheets by phone just before the event and lined out the people who had RSVP'd "no" in the weeks before the event. Those rations were held in reserve, and combined with the officer's marching rations (few partook of their hardtack and pre-cooked salt pork Saturday morning), so we had enough vittles overage on hand to supplement the rations for anyone who thought they had "skimpy rations." The good news is we didn't have to teach "the school of the sweet potato."
The roast & ground corn really mellowed out the issue coffee. The red " salt rock" was not used, but it did find its way to the bottom of the barrel. There was no bottle of whiskey in the bottom of the salt pork barrel. If anyone did sample the whiskey in another container, they'd have found it was actually a fair amount of potent anchovy sauce. The toad in that one company's salt pork ration breakdown was a natural happening. He just hopped in there I guess. ;)
I have an AAR working up in between trying to keep three irascible editors happy, and will try to get that posted soon. I'll mention two items, one of which is a no brainer, and the other may be a surprise to some:
1. One of the biggest opportunities before us is in the area of functional staff work. Just as the armies had to train up during the expansion of 1861-1862, we need to do the same. Just as political appointees were mostly a waste of time back then, the decorative, nonfunctional, and generally useless as a teat on a boar hog, staff swelling, staff officer is the bane of these larger events.
2. For the most part, I'm in agreement with Spudman and Jimbo, and I'm looking forward to Fox's Gap in 2009. :)
Jim Moffet
07-01-2008, 05:57 PM
Thanks Charles, for compiling the battalion-strength list of folks that made rations for near 200 possible. I cannot speak too highly of the effort - a great job.
When a list server gets set up for period army chow, count me, Dave, and a fair number of other Western Brigade leaders in. Long overdue, and to be appreciated.
The march on Friday, in some really authentic withering heat and humidity, could not have been accomplished without months of work by another huge team. My heart-felt thnks go to all who advised, scouted, drafted and or edited both the permit request, and the addenda with requests to modify the original permit: Charles & Bev Heath; James Owens; Charlie Jarvis, Tim Shields; Mike Lavis; Buddy Zeck; Rob Murray; Stephen Osman; Marc Benedict; Tom Shaw; Tom Holbrook and others. Grace Reese at GNMP was quite helpful in working with us, and once she understood that we wanted to walk through the waist high grass with the ticks, allowed us to use authentic formations and drill, since we were not blocking the roads nor damaging the park. Crossing the Wheatfield in a line of battle is an experience none of us will ever forget. (Yes, there is quite a military crest in the center, and you cannot really see it from your car!).
Once on the march, the support team was invaluable. The weather was in the mid-nineties, with humidity you could cut with a knife. Water stops at the base of the Wheatfield and another at the Observation Tower on Seminary Ridge were handled as quickly as possible with a single spigot tank in Mr. Heath's truck. Again, I cannot thank everyone - I don't even know the names of all the folks that helped: Charles and Bev Heath (again!); Mrs. Lawson and 'her girls;' Trevor Steinbach, Don Kessler and the entire First Federal Division Medical Staff swept up any and all wilted stagglers, did some triage, and with the exception of the broken ankle incurred about 15 feet into the march (raw luck, that!), I was very happy to find that all were back in the ranks by tattoo roll call that same day. Mike Lavis and others had cars available for those who were feeling poorly. Silas Tackitt met us on Seminary Ridge, and suggested some rarely seen drill for passage of a defile, which we used as a 'teachable moment."
The march had some merciful rain near the end, cooling the column. By the time we crossed Sachs covered bridge, it was pouring, and we had to determine the best route to close south into the camp. For 45 minutes we packed 180 men into the bridge, where many hoped to spend the night! Pictures to follow.
Again, my eternal thanks to all who made this 'campaigner' part of the experience so meaningful for all who took part.
I am in your debt.
Jim Moffet
Western Brigade
Charles Heath
07-02-2008, 10:17 PM
Jim,
The listserver is going to have to happen. While the existing 19th century food listserver is a wonderful asset, but it is just not the place to speak frequently of military chow. Speaking of such, I need to look up the thread on gelatine, now that I've actually seen a documented military use of the stuff -- on a large scale. That's a research burden for another day.
Two things that I would do differently when all is said and done:
1. This nonsense of having some folks pay for rations and some folks not pay for rations caused Rob Murray and I a heck of a lot of stubby pencil work (actually spreadsheet, but you get the picture), and getting outsiders, such as the FFD involved just compounded matters. The normal practice is all or nothing, and that needs to continue; however, this was a good experience to reinforce current best practices. Admittedly, it is damned difficult to apply what we do at campaigner, progressive, and hardcore events at mainstream efforts, even improved mainstream efforts, such as AHT.
Lesson: Do rations the way we normally do rations.
2. Staff work reached an all time low at AHT, especially in the realm of federal quartermaster functions. For a mainstream event, the level of staff work at AHT was probably just fine and dandy. unfortunately, having functional staff at events has become the standard elsewhere, and that is a level of expectation which was not met whatsoever. I would have been well off to have dropped by during a pre-event work day and tied a rag around a tree. That would have saved a great amount of time, and elminated a great deal of problem compounding.
Lesson: Bypass mainstream staff. Use own resources.
This yields two distinct yet closely related opportunities. The first is to continue to identify modules from this side of the hobby that can be plugged into these mainstream events with the appropriate and normal amount of pre-event work involved. Secondly, a two to four company battalion operating on its lonesome really doesn't require much in the terms of functional staff; however, as battalions grow into brigades (by this I don't mean the 44- or 65- man brigades so famous in this region) the need for staff development becomes quite obvious. The hobby has had a number of so-called officer schools and an alleged staff college, but the fact remains that these staffers need to do more than have weight and take up space.
For what it is worth, we used approximately 140-gallons of water on the march, not including topping off the cav camp tank and horse trough when we returned from the march. Part of the absence of staff work led to a chain of events that I didn't find particularly amusing. If the two images attached, you'll see the old reliable 210-gallon water tanker that has been used and used and used and used some more at the majority of eastern campaign events since 2001. The other image is in the form of a substitute that we were able to whip into Old Whitey the Wundertruck, since the prime mover for the other was laden with barrels. Granted, we do have 5 of these 65-gallon set ups, but mainstream commo is on a different net than ours, thus a quick canvass to locate a couple of other pickup trucks was simply not going to happen. Something similar happend with Ron Myzie who had no idea his bread was sitting at the event, and no one had any way to locate in person or otherwise communicate with him. Poor Ron drove to Sharpsburg only to learn Bev had already transported the bread to the event site. Sheer comedy.
As to history, to fully understand the military crest and Sickles' desire to move forward, one has to visit the Hazel Grove area to see how the confederates used a slight elevation advantage at Chancellorsville. Standing at the lunettes and looking up (what appears to be a utility cut today) to the reb artillery positions, a person needs only about 3 seconds of thought process to realize Sickles didn't want to have a repeat performance. One of the best features of the Columbia Rifles' 2004 Chancellorsville-Wilderness NPS LH was understanding how that piece of Virginia terrain wove itself into the Gettysburg legend and lore. That nearly topped being able to stand where Rice C. Bull was in the reb "hospital," and reading his words from Soldiering after the event while looking at the little outline of the building. It is as diffucult to read that passage from Bull as it is to read the surviving Taylor brother's words while standing among the rocks along Plum Run.
Once you realized you needed a substitute for your "native guide boy," I grabbed a water bottle, and the cast of characters quickly changed to:
Terre Lawson - Wheelman in Big Whitey
Abby Walker - Wheelman in Old Whitey The Wundertruck
Bev Heath - Switchel Maker & "Lemonade" Dispenser
Trevor, Don, Mike, and the medical staff were invaluable, and you have to thank the fellows with the good sense to take themselves out of the game when they recognized the warning signs rather than waiting too long, thus requiring an ambulance.
One of our partners in crime couldn't make it Friday (go ahead and blame it on Doug, we blame most everything from bad singing to flatulence on Doug) and that would be Kabuki extraordinaire Terri Olszowy. Feel free to blame her for the wonderful food service info rolling out of the largely untapped files in NARA during the next few years.
Although you were under strict NPS orders not to interpret to the park visitors, let me tell you they were just plain ga-ga over the marchers easing through the park. I'm surprised how many followed the combined AoO/WB battalion through the park, at least as far as the observation tower on W. Confederate Avenue.
The march was a good campaigner adjunct (for those who have forgotten that phrase) or event march (to use an early term), and it added much to the experience of those who attended the event.
I learned we have a wide variety of canteens in this hobby. :D
Gus49OVI
07-02-2008, 10:59 PM
How's the leg?
Gus
Charles Heath
07-02-2008, 11:06 PM
How's the leg?
I suspect the punchline is going to be pretty good.
Gus49OVI
07-02-2008, 11:10 PM
Mr. Heath - outstanding... I greatly enjoyed our talks, your astute views - sort of a 19th Century George Carlin; also I will add to my bucket list: removing the salt pork barrel from 'whitey'. Very similar to unloading a fully loaded upright freezer, but rounder.
Mrs. Compson - I do not have enough accolades for your service, and graciousness. I do have to say that my first soiree` in hominy and molasses will result in a hope for similar sustinance for the future. I greatly appreciate your securing my box of goodies.... so do those who indulged.
Your Servant,
Gus
Charles Heath
07-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Three Years In The Army of Pork, Part I
For about 10 months now, we’ve been fooling with the ration issue for Andersburg, and that would be the ration issue for some, but not all of the individuals in the Western Brigade’s battalion, which was based on Wright’s description of the exact articles issued at Union Mills, MD. In addition, for about 6 months, I’ve been reading posts by Doug Cooper informing folks (me included, and I didn’t particularly enjoy the surprises) as to what we were doing, and how we were going to do it, but more about that later.
Wright stated the 1st Minnesota was issued salt pork, hard bread, coffee and sugar at Union Mills. In addition to those rations, a 1st Divison, 1st Army Corps badge, and a 2nd Division, 2nd Army Corps badge were to be issued to the reenactors as Andersburg. The battalion officers’ mess, which would come along later, would be mostly pot luck between whatever Terre Lawson and myself had in our grab bags and well worn boxes.
The hardtack would be baked in Minnesota at a pizza parlor. With retail hardtack at 75 cents per piece, making your own has come en vogue once again. Frankly, I miss the competition between Mechanical Baking (R.I.P.) and Bent’s Cookie Factory. After a couple of typical California we-can-do-it-better-but-it-may-be-stuffed-with-tofu nonstarters, the Brain Trust cycled back to the 1st Minnesota pizza parlor arrangement. How many crackers would we need? A man just now looking at the manual would say we needed to issue 30 crackers per man. That number seems high, but it is book smart correct, but wasteful. We decided on an average of 8 crackers per man. Due to breakage and such, some individuals would receive 5, some 6, and some up to 9 crackers depending on the company. If your haversack is empty by about 8 a.m. Sunday morning, then the estimates have been correct. If you dump $20 worth of food into the nearest fast food restaurant trash receptacle on your way home, then that’s piss poor planning.
Rob Murry, Jim Moffet, and more importantly the fellows who slaved over the hardtack back in the Most Holy Land of Lutefisk can give a price breakdown on the hardtack. The same goes for the double issue of corps badges. I said this before, but I’m going to say this again: THANK YOU FOR BAKING THE [insert colorful language here] HARD CRACKERS! On a somewhat related note, but referencing another 2008 season event, Joe, Sara, Meredith, and Ley now understand precisely what I mean by that phrase.
The pork was a different story. Most of you are familiar with the salt pork article in some issue of CWH a while back. Bev and I simply doubled the batch, and kept getting with the program. We set a cut off date in early April knowing it would take another 10 days for ration orders to piddle and bump along. Well, that was wrong, as we still had people paying double for rations as late as June. Ugh. I’ll back up here and make a suggestion, and that is pretty simple. This is the first time and the last [more colorful language] time we’ll have this a la carte rations bullmanure at an event. Standard practice is all or nothing, and not some bizarre arrangement where some people in some companies paid something for some rations, but some of the other people didn’t. What I find funny, is at least four individuals paid for rations, and are going to the GAC event this weekend. That’s right. I’d list their names, but sometime in the next 48 hours they’ll figure it out. Enjoy the smoked turkey legs and funnel cake, boys! I’m not kidding.
Pork is cheaper by the case. The salt pork was from Sam’s Club in the form of fresh, never frozen, Boston Butts on sale. This is an appropriate shoulder cut, and the pieces were butchered into “mess pork” size portions, so the 3rd Sergeant wouldn’t have to be whacking on the pork with a dull hatchet, piece of shale, or old cedar shake shingle. The springwater also came from Sam’s Club, the non-iodized salt from a variety of stores where it was on sale (wish I could buy it locally in a 50# bag, but this is the Godforsaken Maryland wasteland and we have about as much retail as the surface of Mars – unless you want a handbag or ladies’ shoes), and I went by the Ag Co-Op in Berlin (Brunswick) for some overpriced salt petre. A couple of pieces of local iron ore the Johnson Brothers missed, the top of a small barrel and a piece of a cutting board formed the hold downs. Other than that, the containers were the old feed bins from a CW centennial reenacting horse named “Tiny.” May he rest in peace. His feed bins live on so that you can eat. The meat stays cool in the underground garage (hold six cars or one person’s reenacting stuff) so that was no big deal. We checked it every two weeks, skimmed the mold, and added more springwater.
Got crackers and pork, so that left the coffee and sugar to procure. After reading about the army using “yellow coffee sugar” from the original inventories, I decided to use that instead of melado or turbinado. This didn’t make much difference, because the coffee and sugar were to be combined. You read about this often, but rarely see it done. Additionally, the coffee was a combination of a coarse hand grind, a fine machine grind, chicory, toasted corn meal, and ground dark roasted corn kernals. It tasted pretty good, and after reading page after page of coffee contractor disputes, this adulteration made good sense, and good history.
At this point in the game, it was time to containerize the vittles. The coffee/sugar mix could go into a pair of canned tomato boxes. Taking a pair of extra huge stainless steel mixing bowls, and an issue tin cup, I measured 32 cups into one box, and 22 into the other. That means small companies received 5 cups and large companies received 7 cups on their gum blanket. The rest went into the officers’ mess, and the “day and night” kettle of coffee. Rather than drag along the premeasured boxes as mentioned in the commissary instructions, the cup works just fine.
A side trip is in order. Back in the dark ages, Rob and Jim mentioned they wanted to inflict switchel on the boys during the campaigner adjunct across the battlefield. This meant the 3 gallon molasses jug and vinegar bottle would need to be filled and hauled along. Instead of using the feed mill molasses intended for keeping the dust down on cattle feed, we used store bought commercial food service grade molasses. I hope this is not a huge disappointment for anyone who was expecting to pick out insect parts and rat droppings from their refreshing drink.
The meat was to go into barrels. My #2 barrel man is still my #2 barrel man, because the 21 gallon mil spec half barrels with two extra heads and correct hoops have still not landed on my doorstep. This is okay, because my #1 barrel man is Bill Bitting, and we managed to drag along two of his Barton Brands bourbon barrels with the intent of having a fellow “bust head” with an axe. Bourbon soaked oak sure burns well. The funny part about this is the original cast of characters utilized used whiskey barrels for salt pork storage, too. They also used barrels (42 gallon) and half barrels (21 gallon) cut in half for tubs to issue meat. I’m not saying we should run down to the garden center, but there ya have it. If you look closely at the LOC photos, then you’ll see these cut down barrels.
We were going to use the hickory straps from Doug Oakes’ back yard to strap the hardtack. First, I realized these were someone else’s hardtack boxes, so they might not appreciate the nail holes and hickory residue, and, second, with the circus nature of the event itself, well, there wasn’t any time to take care of that detail. The good news is those split hickory saplings and Tremont nails will go to good use on the CR boxes.
So, you might be asking just how did one man get that barrel in the back of a truck by himself?
To be continued….
nrandolph
07-04-2008, 03:33 PM
Charles,
Well at Federal HQ, we went through about three gallons of switchel over the period from Saturday lunch to Sunday after the battle. Between the switchel served on the march and that served, from what I understand, in the enlisted camp, this had to be about the most switchel-swilling event in some time!
Neil Randolph
1st WV
Charles Heath
07-04-2008, 05:57 PM
Amber Waves of Switchel, Part II
Between the the food and march across the GNMP, across the front Ike & Mamie’s farm, and through two little bridges to Grandma’s house, or something like that, we generated something like 57 pages of emails, a bunch of photograph downloads (not a single one from Watchersweb, unfortunately) and I’m hoping most of those phone calls were on somebody’s after hours free calling network plan. Mine were.
So, what was the headcount? Friday was 169, but that included people from the Army of the Ohigh-er, who also wanted to march across the park, but the Saturday and Sunday numbers, as provided by Kevin Air were 183 and 172 respectively. The number of feds we fed would be less, and it doesn’t shatter our old record of 278 set back in 2002. In terms of real food during the real war this is microscopic. We now pause for three important messages:
1. Tom Lowe is my hero.
2. Red’s Savoy Pizza in Eagan MN is not an approved vendor, but my brother-in-law Howard eats there, and Nathan Dapper made the hardtack with their pizza ovens. I hope their pizza is better than their website: http://www.savoypizzaeagan.com/
3. 2nd Lt. Luke Friedrich was the commissary officer, and soon to be uber adjutant.
In looking at the numbers of paid individuals who had not RSVP’d “no” at the last moment (thank you, for those who did), we had on paper:
Co. A 21
Co. B 22
Co. D 35
Co. E 27
Co. G 32
Co. H 24
Co. K 22
Between the time the final roster was haggled out by email (using MS-Excel spreadsheet), and the time of the ration issue, several individuals were no shows. This doesn’t include the four fellows who are looking for their rations tonight at the other Gettysburg event on the Redding Farm.
Each company was to draw rations and prepare them in their company areas. Little did we know our battalion was to have people spread from Chambersburg to the the Old Cyclorama, but I digress. On Wednesday, we printed out duplicate rosters for seven companies in Texas Hero font, so the 3rd Sergeant could have a copy, and the commissary could also have a copy, if we had any dispute as to who paid for what. Seems 1-800-MANPOWER didn’t have any staff available with “19th century army clerk” skillsets, and I sure as heck didn’t have time to write nearly 400 names, and when all is said and done, I appreciate Company G as being the only company to actually use theirs.
Figuring the third sergeants might need a little smidge of help with all this, and not wanting to complicate the carnival atmosphere of any Gettysburg event any more than necessary, we sent along a little set of culinary hints that went through at least three authors before it reached the troops:
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Cooking Salt Pork
“Got a skillet? Fry it. Got a couple of rammers? Broil it. Got a mess cup? Boil it. Got a board? Bake it!” OK – so you want more data than that!
BACKGROUND
What is Salt Pork? Let’s start with a primer on different kinds of pork that one might find at an event. While this is postwar information, one of the best descriptions of salt pork varieties is directly from the 1886 edition of The Grocer's Handbook:
• Mess: "Mess Pork shall be packed from sides of well-fatted hogs, cut in strips not exceeding six and one half inches wide and flanked according to diagram as nearly as possible, and not back-stripped, 196 pounds of green [not cured] meat, numbering not over sixteen pieces, including only the regular portion of flank and shoulder cuts; four layers to be packed in each barrel, with not less than forty pounds of Turk’s Island, St. Utes, or Trepanné, or 45 pounds of other good qualities of foreign or domestic coarse salt, and clear brine as strong as the salt will make it.”
• Clear: “Clear Pork shall be packed from sides of extra heavy, well-fatted hogs, cut, selected and packed in the same manner as Mess Pork, the backbone and half the rib next to it be taken out.”
• Extra Clear: “Extra Clear Pork. Same as clear, except that all the ribs and backbone shall be taken out.
• Mess Ordinary: “Mess Ordinary, or Thin Mess. Of hogs reasonably well-fatted to light for Mess Pork, cut, selected, and packed in the same manner as Mess, no restrictions whatever as to the number of pieces to the barrel.” [ This is what you will be receiving during At High Tide. – Ed.]
• Extra Prime: “Extra Prime Pork shall be made from heavy, untrimmed shoulders, cut into three pieces, according to the diagram, the leg to be cut close to the breast; to be packed 200 pounds of green meat in each barrel, with the same quantity and quality of salt as Mess Pork.”
• Prime: “Prime Mess Pork shall be made of shoulders and sides of nice, smooth and fat hogs, weighing 120 to 170 pounds each net, regularly cut into square pieces, as near 4 pounds each as possible, the shank to be cut off close to the breast; each barrel to contain 200 pounds of green meat, the proportion of 20 pieces of shoulder and 30 pieces of side cuts, and to be packed with the same quality and quantity of salt as Mess Pork. The prime pieces shall be cut free of blade bone. The shoulder pieces are not to exceed 90 pounds in each barrel. When re-salted, the brine shall be drawn off and new brine added.”
And as an aside...the 1911 edition of The Food Companion, there is also "Fat Back" which is defined as: “Often confused with salt pork (which comes from the sides and belly of a pig) fat back is the fresh layer (not salted or smoked) of fat that runs along the animal’s back. It is used to make lard and cracklings and used for cooking.” In the same publication, Salt Pork is defined as being “So named because it is salt-cured, this is a layer of fat (usually with some streaks of lean) that is cut from the pig’s belly and sides. Salt pork is often confused with fat back, which is unsalted.”
Please be very careful at the grocery store, there are some brands of slab and sliced bacon that is not salt or smoked cured, but is just "regular" bacon to which salt and artificial smoke flavoring has been added. Since it is neither salt nor smoked cured, it is NOT cured meat, and will spoil and poison one in short order.
"The westward migration owes much to salt pork. For pioneers, it was considered a staple in every larder. Homesteaders prized it above hard money. Salt pork begins as the fatty parts from the back, side, or belly of a hog. Fattier than bacon, it was cured by the dry-salt method but not smoked. Western cooks used it as a flavor and as a supplement to meat. Unlike meat, salt pork would keep awhile without spoiling. The flavor imparted to foods is unique to itself. At a time when spice racks were usually unavailable, salt pork served heroically with bland foods. [Soldiers] often carried salt pork. They fried it, sopping hardtack in the grease, thereby softening what was an otherwise jawbreaking form of bread. Cowhands in line camps generally dredged slices of salt pork in flour and then fried it. The grease served as a substitute for butter. By modern taste standards, it sounds pretty dreadful. Old-timers were damn glad to get it. The alternative was to go hungry. Off in the wilderness, several days might pass before some form of game found its way into the cooking pot. Salt pork, bread, and coffee provided a welcome supper and sustenance for tomorrow's hardships." From Matt Braun, Western Cooking.
FIELD PREPARATION
Now, armed with history, what to do with this plump portion of porcine goodness?
• Boiled Salt Pork: “Soak salt pork for several hours. Dump water and refill with fresh water. Bring to a boil. After it has thoroughly cooked, remove the fat and enjoy the meat (what little there is of it.)”
• Smith’s Original Recipe - (The Compleat Housewife - Eliza Smith, London, 1758; reprinted London, 1994) - "General Directions for Boiling" which mentions that: All salt meat must be put in when the water is cold; but fresh meat, not till it boils; and as many pounds as your piece weighs, so many quarters of an hour it will require in boiling.”
• Viele’s Extra Crispy Recipe (Handbook for Active Service) - Get your frying-pan very hot, put in some fat pork which will immediately melt, then put in the meat you wish to fry, (a small teaspoonful of salt and a quarter of a teaspoonful of pepper to every pound of meat.) When done, lay the meat on a dish, add a pint of water to the fatin the frying-pan, a few slices of onions, or 2 teaspoonsful of vinegar; thicken it with a little flour and pour it over the cooked meat. Any sauce, or a fewchopped pickles, may be substituted for the vinegar or onions.
• Western Brigade Salt Pork Fingers - “Soak for several hours. Cut into small strips. Fry in grease or butter if available. Great when added with fried potatoes.”
• Kautz’s Advice on Boiled Salt Pork. (Customs of Service) – “Salt pork is usually boiled. As with salt beef, it should be well soaked to extract the salt, and then boiled for three or four hours. The grease, which should be skimmed off and saved, may be used in various ways as a substitute for lard: in the field, however, this cannot well be done. In permanent camps and garrison it can be saved, and, if not used, can be sold to advantage and will serve to increase the company fund. When issued to small messes, salt pork, like fresh beef, can be broiled on the coals; but this is a very wasteful method of preparing it.”
• Adamson’s Salt Pork Suggestion (Grandmother in the Kitchen) – “Soak salt pork (cut into slices for broiling or frying) in a one to two quarts milk and water; soak it over night if it is for breakfast, and for several hours before any other meal. The milk maybe either fresh or sour, and it is diluted with an equal quantity of water. Before cooking the slices, rinse them in water until it is clear. It will be found a very excellent method, and when once adopted will invariably be the choice of preparation.”
• Adamson’s Salt Pork and Sour Apples. (Grandmother in the Kitchen) – “This makes a very satisfying summer dinner when served with Boiled New Potatoes. Cut the slices of pork; lay them in cold water in the spider (a spider is a frying pan with legs on the bottom - ed.); boil them for 2 to 3 minutes; then pour off the water and set the spider again on the coals; now dredge the slices in cornmeal seasoned with pepper and brown them on both sides in the spider. In another spider, fry 1/2 inch slices of good tart cored but unpeeled apples in butter or drippings after dredging them in a little flour mixed with a pinch of cinnamon or ginger. Serve the pork and apples together.”
• Viele’s Pork Soup for 25 men. (Handbook for Active Service) - In 6 gallons of cold water put 12 pounds of pork, 3 quarts of beans, 2 pounds of rice, season to suit; let boil one hour and a half. Soak the beans over night.
• Braun’s Pork and Red-Eye Gravy. (Matt Braun, Western Cooking) – “Fry pork in skillet. Remove pork but leave drippings. For each pound of pork, add 1/2 cup strong black coffee to pan drippings. Stir constantly and bring to boil. Serve over pork and crackers.”
• Viele’s Stewed Salt Pork or Beef for 25 men. (Handbook for Active Service) – “ Wash the meat well, let it soak all night, wash out the salt as much as possible; 8 pounds of salt beef, 5pounds of salt pork, 1/3 of a pound of sugar, 2 pounds of sliced onions, 0 quarts of water, and a pound of rice; let it simmer gently for two or three hours.”
• Viele’s Salt Pork with Potatoes and Cabbage for 25 men. (Handbook for Active Service) – “Take 15 pounds of pork, extract the bones, 3 pounds of potatoes, 2 winter cabbages, let it boil for two hours; 10 quarts of water. Serve the meat with vegetables round it. The gravy will make a good broth with peas, beans, or rice added, also a little onion. Ship biscuit broken into the broth makes a very nutritious soup.”
You will be surprised how good it tastes. Salt pork goes well with the assistance of a wedge of cabbage, or green apples, some dried apples, rice, corn meal, wheat flour, turnips, greens, onion, poke salad, wild onions, rutabaga, parsnips, salsify, green beans, dried beans, sauerkraut, potatoes, soaked hardtack, canned tomatoes, ground black pepper, curry powder, molasses, melado, demerara, turbinado, ground hominy, powdered mustard, tumeric, water…use your imagination. Take your time preparing your meals, and remember the old campaigner adage: “Burnt Food Sucks!”
So, let's say you are at an event near the end of June along a woodline adjoining a field west of a small creek in Adams County, Pennsylvania, not far from a covered bridge, and someone has boiled the living heck out of a couple of kettles of salt pork. They are issuing pieces of hot salt pork (that you think is way too small) and they toss it still steaming in your haversack atop a collection of hard crackers. Let's hope your coffee and sugar didn't get in the bottom of that mess. Did it? Oh, well, but there is yet another life lesson learned.
What to do? Stare at it for a while. Note the pretty rainbow colors in the greasy water dripping from the sides. Long for a potato or two – these might be a good thing to bring along! In recent years, I have become a real fan of desiccated potatoes, and when provided with a meat ration, some great hash can be made whether you have beef, chicken, turkey, salt beef, ham, salt pork, mystery meat, or even certain fish. Harmony House ( www.harmonyhousefoods.com ) sells desiccated potatoes for a reasonable price, has great customer service, and dang near delivers even large quantities overnight.
Period variety heirloom rice can be purchased from Anson Mills:
http://www.ansonmills.com/page22/page35/page35.html
THE RATION DETAIL
It will behoove your sergeant charged with subsistence matters to have with his company level mess detail at least the minimum of:
• Two sheet iron (mild steel) mess kettles – One for meat, and one for coffee.
• Two mess pans (optional) – Serving hot meat.
• Three clean gum blankets, rubber side up – Fetching crackers and meat.
• Two empty, clean, haversacks or issue feed bags – Fetching coffee and sugar.
• One axe (sharp) or froe (dull) – Splitting wood.
• One hatchet (sharp enough to shave) – Hacking through bone.
• One side knife (very sharp) – To portion meat.
• One nice, clean, scoured, board approximately 12” x 18” – Cutting surface for meat.
• One skimmer (can make one from a can) – Collecting and reserving the grease.
• One empty can – Keeping the grease.
• Two empty wooden boxes – Ration storage for late arrivals.
• One sharp bayonet – Moving the meet around in the kettle.
• One pint ladle – Removing the meat.
• Two wool mess rags (thick) – Handling the kettles.
• Four huck/other period type towels – Two for coffee and sugar, and two for clean up.
• One match safe stocked with matches in good order – Fire starting.
• Soap – Clean up.
• Firestarter – We gave away enough USCC pamphlets at Winter 1864 to burn Chicago, so use some of them.
• One good headcount per company – Not just of warm bodies, but of those who actually paid for rations. Writing this on a ration request form would be most helpful.
HINTS FOR THE CULINARY CHALLENGED
• Fill your canteen prior to arrival.
• Clean and check the working order of your fork, spoon, and pocketknife.
• Sharpen that dull pocketknife.
• Clean your mess equipment. Dirty mess gear can and will test your ability to sprint.
• A wool mess rag (hand sized blanket scraps do nicely) can and will prevent burns.
• Wash that nasty huck towel.
• Provide yourself with a seasonal fresh vegetable or two.
• Put at least three poke bags or wrapping rags in the haversack.
• A chip of soap is most useful.
• Refill your tooth powder. Find your toothbrush.
• Bring something to trade with your neighbor.
• A small tin of salve (Vaseline or Bag Balm will do) will keep you in the game once the galding starts in your most tender twig-n-berries region.
I should have printed one copy, folded it into the shape of a paper airplane, and whipped that pamphlet out of the nearest open window, but back to the food. Each one of the company forms had a code on it. The code looked like 31-168-2.5, which was from Company K, by the way. This indicated 31 pounds of salt pork, 168 crackers, and 2.5 pounds of coffee (5 scoops).This was their ration quantity, and no matter what their form stated, they were getting the amount in the code, or slightly less based on no-shows.
The ration issue itself was comical. A commissary needs a little room to lay out the rations, and we had just that…a little room. What normally takes a gum blanket was reduced to a hardcracker box top. I kept waiting for some rube to tie off his shebang on one of the barrels. Somehow we got through the ration issue. One comical character walked up with a piece of cloth for his piece of meat. That told me just how much pre-event information came his way, or he was from some other battalion and assumed we’d give him some salt pork. Yep, probably a Hoosier….
What was that yellow/brown meat that looked like wet bacon?
To be continued….
Charles Heath
07-05-2008, 06:19 PM
There is a Wee Toad in My Rations, Part III
Don't tell the rest of the companies, or they'll want one, too.
Over the months, we talked about more stearite candles such as the ones issued for years and years, but didn’t’ actually buy any. Ikea is the current vendor for these, although we still haven’t completely resolved the fluted end aspect. The good news is we didn’t really need any candles, either, as nature’s own bolts from the sky illuminated the camps just fine. Just change the numbers around and the emails, usually several pages in length, had plenty of comments such as this one: “Right now we have 171 paid for rations out of 201 The way I look at it we have 180 folks that have paid for rations. We will have between 17 and 20 officers. Maybe 2 more with Steve Dunfee and Mark Hernbroth. 2407 crackers! We'll be between 2,800 and 3,000 when done.” Time for another one of those important messages:
“To Salt Pork.--Lay in the bottom of the barrel a layer of solar salt, one and a half inch thick; pack the pork edgewise as compact as possible, cover it with a layer of salt as thick as the bottom layer, then pack another layer of pork and the same quantity of salt, etc., until the whole is packed, finishing with a layer of salt. Make a brine as strong as possible of solar salt, put a weight on the pork, and pour on the brine, until it is covered several inches. A hog weighing two hundred and fifty pounds is the best weight to buy; be sure the hog is cornfed, not fatted on still-slops, as the pork to be hard must be fatted on corn. When pork is taken from the barrel, be careful that no part of the meat is left above the brine; if this happens, it will become wormy." - (Haskell's Housekeeper's Encyclopedia, 1861, p. 362) as provided by Hank Trent
At some point, an officers’ mess was requested for a forecast headcount of 20 with this message: “I am writing to get you two to begin organizing an officer's mess for AHT that combines the WB and FFD staffs into one 'pool.” In addition to the switchel for the march, they wanted modern electrolytes in the form of Gatorade. This is a reasonable off the shelf facsimile of period powdered lemonade. By the time all was said and done, the expenses on this end (not counting crackers, multiple corps badges, alt. source salt pork, and donated items) looked like this:
Salt Pork: $310.25
Coffee & Sugar: $79.84
Molasses: $19.92
Officer Feed: $48.47
Electrolytes: $18.84
Right now, some thoughtful wag is estimating somewhere in the neighborhood of 180 people paid at mostly $10 per man, plus the $20 club, and……
So we had an officers’ mess going, and a partial issue for what became 7 infantry companies. We have become so accustomed to 2-4 company battalions, that it was darn nice having 7 companies. In a battalion arrangement we last dealt with 9 in 2002, and 10 in 1997. Strictly on the basis of number of companies, the latter would constitute a regiment, although it only had 385 officers and men in formation. To paraphrase some other folks lately, a larger group makes one feel as if part of an army, and not some isolated patrol or outpost. This mission statement, in terms of numbers, was: “The Western Brigade will be fielding a regiment at "At High Tide." Our primary portrayal will be the First Minnesota Volunteers - and we hope to be near full strength with 8 to 10 companies of approx. 30 men each.” Not bad. I was hoping our magic number would be 262.
When the ill-fated “brigade ration issue” concept was being flitted about, we only had two requests. First and foremost was this one: “…what I don't want to see is an 800-man ‘chow line." At some events, where we are the company cookhouse (Fort Ontario COI 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and Fort Donelson NPS LH 2006 is an excellent example) this works well, or at events where we are the CW version of a battalion consolidated dining facility (Camp Curtin NCWM LH 2002, Shiloh NPS LH 2007, Vicksburg NPS LH 2007) we can feed a company at a time. Sometimes the whole herd comes up to the feed shed all at once no matter what you do. The second request was a little more ephemeral, “Rather than just fling rations at the troops, I'd like to see these guys run through the paperwork drill. I last did brigade level food service paperwork for Case's brigade in 1998.” Unfortunately, we had neither brigade nor division level staff at Andersburg, so the paperwork stopped at the battalion level. The good news is the company level generation was accomplished, and done well, I might add. If any of the orderly sergeants played the add-a-head game, we’ll never know (unless they speak up), because we had neither a Friday strength report, nor did their numbers actually count this time around. The partial issue was predetermined, as previously mentioned. Now, we break a moment for yet another important message:
"The manufacturing of the rations is the real time consumer. The distribution is a relatively easy affair with some assistance in the counting out portion. We used a runner to go to each company, contact the sergeant and advise him to gather up a small group of "volunteers" armed with sacks, shelter halves and/or rubber blankets and immediately head to the commissary. They should know the correct number to draw forbefore arriving. As they are finishing up, the next would be notified and so on. How the sergeant distributes the rations was none of our business but doing it the "Hardtack and Coffee" method is always a point of remembrance for the participants (the piles laid out on a gum blanket and the sergeant with his back turned calls out a name to the question, "And who shall have this?". – Marc Benedict
Perhaps the most prophetic remark was this one: “This may be a good time to break out the spreadsheet and figure out who-may-be-forming-what in terms of the division. As difficult as this is at the battalion level (and why I no longer fool with being an adjutant), I can only imagine what it is like at division with some AAG who comes out of the woodwork once or twice each year.”
So, with about a month before the dance begins, we come up with the following missive to jiggle a few things in place: “We are about 3 weeks from the end of registration, and 5 weeks prior to the event itself, so this is a good time to find out if the battalion has been organized into companies, and the names of the company commanders. Outside of our conversations about rations, the sum total of battalion level information can be summed up in two words: "radio silence." My guess is there has been info distributed, but it hasn't been getting into the hands of those who can use it….”
Other than the absence of any and all functional federal staff above the battalion level, the lack of commo will get a good mention in the event AAR. Then again, when I read something like this, I sigh and just about swoon: “…and we had been given biographies of each man in the unit we were to portray. This is an innovative and very historic idea.” Somewhere around 9 out of 10 events have done that over the past ten years. Where does this fellow reenact? Anyway, if a little history is a first time eye popping, spank his ass, and call him Sally moment for him, that’s a good thing.
I had that same wondermus feeling as Jubilo when I quoted Col. Parr the commercial price for the amount of hardtack we needed: “Bent's Price for this amount of tack is is $2,043.60 (Does Not Include Shipping).” We all had to change our underwear after that “magic moment.”
In our recruiting for this event, we went through a number of people. Most of the people I know were smart enough to stay the Hell home. Rob Carter was invited, but he was already gigged to be some kind of staff officer. I hope he was able to attend the event. We didn’t see him the whole weekend. Ron Myzie came by for a minute to bring us a case of gout or lumbago, and I’m sure he was up to his neck in some kind of officering at Andersburg. Just what we don’t know. Bev did get his bread to him. Neill Rose, Terry Sorchy, Don Smith, Marc Benedict, Joe Smotherman, Kevin Kelley, and some other names were bobbled about. Considering we had a Terri with an I, and Terre with an E, I’m not sure we needed a Terry with a Y at this event in one spot. Instead, we got Dave. Find out where the Dave tree is located and pick a few more of these. He’s a keeper. Terre Lawson provided adult supervision for all of us, and was a darn fine “auto pen” for Col. Parr.
Yes, this is eventually going somewhere, but we have another important message:
In conscequence of the attack on Murfreesboro where our troops so ingloriously surrendered, we have been on half rations ever since we reached this place (July 14th). You should not think from this that we are in a suffering condition. Far from it. European officers have often (stated) that our army wasted an amount of provisions that would maintain one in Europe. One of the most silly things our government ever did was increasing the soldiers rations. It has made them wasteful. You would be astonished to see the amount left in our camps when we are on a march....." - Col. Horatio Van on July 27, 1862
This dovetails into another conversation, and that is one of waste and authentic foodstuffs. Anything more than about half rations tends to get wasted. For the lesser items, such as molasses and vinegar (even if made into switchel), a scant sample works best. The boys will chow down on some coffee and even those who claim only to like it black will tend to use some raw sugar in theirs at an event. Being a child of parents who grew up during the Great Depression, wasting food is one of those ingrained "bad things."
One of the most interesting side trips was the discussion about whether to have or not have a regimental sutler. History won out (how rare), but in this instance I have to say it would have been a real joy to have had Ezra Barnhouse set up (for the third time in two years) next to our operation on the correct location on the battalion street. This worked well at Shiloh 2007 and at Vicksburg 2007 where the cookhouse had bland food and the sutler had plenty of condiments at the former, and at the latter John Crabb personally planted those shade trees some four decades before. Okay, maybe a bit of a stretch with that one, but his gift of a keg of ginger beer at Andersburg was most greatly appreciated. The dregs from the keg of brown ale went into the beans, and provided a marvelous taste.
Our modest little firepit cranked out a bit of food Saturday evening in spite of the canceled tactical. We had a right fair spread planned for the gathered masses of the bestrapped and hard(ly) working officers within the battalion. The evening menu for the 9 pm Officer’s Dinner was:
Desiccated Vegetable & Ham Soup
Barbequed Pork in Mustard Sauce
Curried Cabbage with Salt Pork
Brown Ale Beans with Bacon
Fresh Bread with Butter
Fruit Pies
Lemonade
Ginger Beer
Coffee
For 20 people, that is. The scant sprinkle kept all but 6 away, and that included Silas Tackitt, a member of the friendly (when famished) Rebbanese Liberation Army, who wandered over dazed, confused, sleepy, a couple of quarts low on fluid and hoping to find a Starbucks. He liked the beans, and the men quartered around Silas later that evening reported unusually brisk “field music” in his immediate vicinity. Dave Penkert and I distributed the above mentioned largesse to the starving masses huddled in their shebangs staying dry in the lukewarm mist, which had now turned into a driving fog. It was a tough job, but someone had to do it. One thing about the vast majority of the fellows I know, is that I have you people trained. If I walk by a shebang day or night, and say “cups, boys, cups!,” then a bunch of empty tin cups appear at the ready. If I say “plates!” the same happens for that especial implement of dining destruction. These people were “Huh? What?” Yewgawtsum’n?” I mean really, what would the Original Confederate Ninja do?
In the end, we had a couple of pounds of coffee left in the box. We’d brought some extra, since men drink a lot more coffee if the weather turns rainy and that gloomy summer chill sets in. Thankfully, the rain didn’t last long. Of the 160 crackers for the officers’ mess set out Saturday morning, not many were taken. A good 1/3 of a box remained, and we had at least that much left in the enlisted cracker box. Plenty of molasses was leftover, as was a good amount of vinegar. That molasses jug hasn’t been empty since before the Bentonville 2000 campaigner adjunct ration issue, so it will be folded over into the next event, as was the half gallon in the jug this time around. As to the meat, if this table comes out, this is the break down of how close the forecasting and reality came to the salt pork ration, in pounds:
A (Beedle) +3.5
B (Cooper) 0
D (Owens) +2
E (Ganz) +0.5
G (Shaw) -3
H (Butler) 0
K (Skalak) +3.5
Not bad. We also had a whole ham (officer’s mess), a hefty addition of that yellow/brown alleged “salt pork” that looked like wet back from Minnesota, and two nice chunks of slab bacon added to the mix. The slab bacon went into the brown ale beans exclusively. Those beans were good. Maybe it was the rain and cool temps, but they were exceptionally good. Dang if I know why.
How did one man get that barrel of salt pork onto the back of a truck by himself? If you remember the giggle in the CWH article where I mentioned we should have put the barrel with 100 pounds of pork into the back of the truck FIRST (before loading it), that should be a clue. I put the barrel in the back of the truck, transferred the pork and brine from the two large plastic containers, and reheaded it. The bigger question was how was one many going to remove the barrel, well, let’s just say the 2,500 lb come-along and two stump pulling chains would have made getting that barrel on the ramps pretty easy. I’d practiced with a full water barrel the week before. It was fun watching you fellows use the Armstrong method to offload the pork. I did see a couple of fellows who could have picked up that whole barrel and tossed it, but they were smart enough to be invisible during the offloading. Would that we had only had a wagon; however, with all the modern transportation needs on Thursday and Friday, I’m glad that I did not bring mine.
Magic moment: Watching a fellow I don’t even know take an axe to the head of the salt pork barrel, and watching Luke figure out his new officer’s frock might just get a good splashing if he didn’t move away from the point of action.
While this has bored most of you to tears, at least a few fellows will have mined a few nuggets to use in future events. That is what AARs used to be about
nrandolph
07-05-2008, 07:52 PM
Charles,
Thanks for all the acquisition phase and description of the operation you oversaw. I'll have to say that in stopping by for those few moments on Saturday, I was impressed. All the info you've posted is extremely interesting to me since I've somehow become a kind of Quartermaster/cook in training for some recent events.
I've lately taken to going back to my older relatives that actually grew up on a working farm and asking them questions about how this and that were done in the day. It's helped that I still remember my Grandmother's preparation for several easy to fix food items that are useful for CW cooking and frankly just not that far removed from the era when one factors in that she probably picked up the same ideas from her grandmother.
Of course, there is the Bill Watson method we put to use for the officers last week which is; make a good pot of stew the first evening and keep chucking the leftovers in and boiling...it did actually make the Saturday stew, with the addition of beans and corned beef and other things, even better than the fine stew we had Friday!
At any rate, your posts have been fun and enlightening for me to read and I thank you for taking the time to go through it all with those of us who enjoy that type of thing. Looking forward to "The Death March" in late August in northeastern Pa. Hope you'll be able to get registered soon if you haven't and maybe some folks looking for a real nice campaign event will join Doug Oakes and his group up there!
Neil Randolph
1st WV
Hank Trent
07-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Charles,
It sounds like you put in an incredible amount of work recreating period rations. Wow. I hope everyone who got them appreciated all the hard work.
At some point, an officers’ mess was requested for a forecast headcount of 20 with this message: “I am writing to get you two to begin organizing an officer's mess for AHT that combines the WB and FFD staffs into one 'pool.” In addition to the switchel for the march, they wanted modern electrolytes in the form of Gatorade.
I was over in CS medical camp, where we had to bring our own rations and I brought some for my officer too. While I was talking to another Confederate cook, he gave me the usual spiel about how vital Gatorade and coolers were for health. As I said to my officer before the event began, "I can estimate how many milligrams of sodium, potassium and magnesium I'm consuming per day on what I've brought. I wonder how many of those who insist on Gatorade for health reasons can do the same?"
So out of curiosity, here's a good chance to ask. Did the officers calculate the daily electrolytes, discover they were inadequate, and recalculate with the Gatorade included, and if so, what were the figures? What do they consider a good target amount?
That's not a question for you so much as the officers, since you were just doing what you were ordered. But I'm curious how much actual thought is put into the men's health by the officers, and how much is just a casual attitude: "Oh, Gatorade's supposed to be good. Just give 'em some of that."
Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net
unionprivate
07-05-2008, 10:04 PM
This is related to the High Tide event, sort of. Did anyone out there happen to find the base of a flag pole somewhere between the Army of the Ohio camp and the parking lot behind the barn opposite side of the road? It would appear that it came out of the bag that carried the colors for the Army of the Ohio for the weekend. Please ask around! If found, please email me: unionprivate@verizon.net
Thanx in advance for your help!!!
flattop32355
07-05-2008, 10:13 PM
That's not a question for you so much as the officers, since you were just doing what you were ordered. But I'm curious how much actual thought is put into the men's health by the officers, and how much is just a casual attitude: "Oh, Gatorade's supposed to be good. Just give 'em some of that."
Hank, wasn't it you a while back that calculated the amount of Gatorade one would have to drink to replace electrolytes, and found it near impossible for it to do much good?
DougCooper
07-06-2008, 11:33 AM
Charles,
It sounds like you put in an incredible amount of work recreating period rations. Wow. I hope everyone who got them appreciated all the hard work.
I was over in CS medical camp, where we had to bring our own rations and I brought some for my officer too. While I was talking to another Confederate cook, he gave me the usual spiel about how vital Gatorade and coolers were for health. As I said to my officer before the event began, "I can estimate how many milligrams of sodium, potassium and magnesium I'm consuming per day on what I've brought. I wonder how many of those who insist on Gatorade for health reasons can do the same?"
So out of curiosity, here's a good chance to ask. Did the officers calculate the daily electrolytes, discover they were inadequate, and recalculate with the Gatorade included, and if so, what were the figures? What do they consider a good target amount?
That's not a question for you so much as the officers, since you were just doing what you were ordered. But I'm curious how much actual thought is put into the men's health by the officers, and how much is just a casual attitude: "Oh, Gatorade's supposed to be good. Just give 'em some of that."
Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net
Hank - for good officers this is an obsession, as it is in the real military. Same with good NCO's. Our calculations never include Gatorade, but plenty of water, food, shade and rest...and Switchel when we can get it :D
Hank Trent
07-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Hank - for good officers this is an obsession, as it is in the real military. Same with good NCO's. Our calculations never include Gatorade, but plenty of water, food, shade and rest...and Switchel when we can get it :D
Out of curiosity, how many electrolytes do you calculate providing per man per day, for a summer event requiring exertion, like AHT? If this is an important consideration for the health of the men when rations are supplied in hot weather, I'm curious what targets others are aiming for.
For myself, I try to provide a bare minimum of 4,000 mg sodium, 4,000 mg potassium and 400 mg magnesium. Another 1,000 mg of the first two is better. Seems to work for me, but I'm curious what's figured as an average sufficient electrolyte consumption for a large group of men.
Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net
Charles Heath
07-06-2008, 05:56 PM
Out of curiosity, how many electrolytes do you calculate providing per man per day, for a summer event requiring exertion, like AHT?
Hank,
Years ago, buried deep in the now vaporized thread on the OTB Forum, modern electrolytes, such as powdered Gatorade, were determined to be "color and flavor" to encourage people to drink more water, whereas, sweet potatoes and dried peach halves were far and away better sources of the happy little micronutients. That is the long and the short of it. It's a psych thing.
It's a shame the huge electrolyte thread on the OTB Forum was lost in a crash about two years ago, because we beat this horse to death. I'll mention a few things here for the handful of folks who didn't read that wonderful thread, and there will be more to come in the campaigner adjunct AAR thread.
1. In the eight months prep time for the march, I have to commend both Jim Moffet and Rob Murray for their dedication to safety for the marchers on a variety of levels. To condense the usual 5,000 word essay into a smaller, bite size packing, especially for those with CADD...in the real army "accomplish the mission first, and then look out for the welfare of the men" was drilled into our heads. In reenacting, the opposite it true in a world where "safety first" is the mantra like most any industrial operation. Frankly, after languishing for a few years, the Western Brigade is in good hands, and will most likely be moving forward again.
2. The purpose of putting color and flavor into water is to encourage the participants to drink more water. No more, no less. We accomplished the same thing with weak tea at Vicksburg last year, where the temperatures were much higher, and at Camp Curtin and Chatham Manor with raspberry shrub, where the temperatures were not quite like Vicksburg, but warmer than last Friday at Gettysburg.
Yes, one can drink too much water, and that discussion has also been beaten to death.
"The soldier’s diet in the Civil War has been known as poor, and a number of illnesses and disorders have been associated with it. However, a nutritional analysis placed within the context of mid-nineteenth century American nutrition has been lacking. Such an approach makes clear the connection between illness and diet during the war for the average soldier and defines the importance of nutrition’s role in the war. It also provides a bridge from the American diet to the soldier diet, outlining correlations between the two and examining the influence of physicians, chemists, and health reformers on the Civil War diet." - M.B., 2005
Outside of Terre Lawson, Noah Briggs, you, and I, and maybe Claude Sinclair, there isn't much of any interest whatsoever in this subject, but I do find it fascinating.
I'm going to have some fun with this, so hang on:
Whereas John Billings stated the AOP Marching Ration was:
"... sixteen ounces of hardtack, twelve ounces of salt pork or twenty ounces of fresh meat, sugar, coffee, and salt. This was the August 1861 ration minus vegetables and vinegar." - M.B. 2005
Whereas, one can take the USDA recommended daily allowances, and then crank out the percentage of a ration to develop a table not unlike that on most modern food packages:
AoP Marching Ration as a Percentage of USDA RDA
Calories 143%
Protein (g) 218%
Carbohydrates (g) 118%
Fat-Total (g) 162%
Vitamin A (RE) 0%
Thiamin- B1 (mg) 343%
Riboflavin- B2 (mg) 187%
Niacin- B3 (mg) 384%
Vitamin B6 (mg) 255%
Vitamin B12 (mcg) 468%
Vitamin C (mcg) 0%
Vitamin D (mcg) 26%
Vitamin E (mg) 61%
Folate (mcg) 77%
Calcium (mcg) 27%
Iron (mg) 445%
Magnesium (mg) 239%
Phosphorus (mg) 478%
Potassium (mg) 116%
Sodium (mg) 396%
Zinc (mg) 388%
Source: Modified Table 7, M.B. 2005
There is actually a good table to use for sitting around camp and other one for marching in terms of caloric expenditure. For those needing the quick look up table for an ANV impression, you aren't left out. This is a 90-minute detour, but back in 2005 a VPI&SU masters degree candidate by the name of Matthew Brennan analyzed Iron Brigade rations versus Stonewall Brigade rations. (Believe me when I say I'm going to blend in his nutritional analysis when I update my Iron Brigade 1863 rations article.) Anyway, the title of his thesis is "The Civil War Diet," and Bill Davis, a name most of us will recognize, appears to have been the department chair at that time. The entire work is online:
Civil War Diet Masters Thesis (scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-05262005-122146/unrestricted/CivilWarDiet.pdf)
His work certainly plugs a hole in my research, and when I crank out this somewhat useful rations calculator (modern spreadsheet) in a couple of months, the nutritional aspects will be in a "just for fun" column way off the right side, and a footnote on the bottom.
If this is an important consideration for the health of the men when rations are supplied in hot weather, I'm curious what targets others are aiming for.
I aim for history, but generally fall short. In the case of the campaigner adjunct (event march) into the former Yingling farm from the Pennsylvania Monument (by the way, the bathrooms and frost free hydrant are now in working order) what the boys ate on Wednesday and Thursday are not our concern. The sad part is we have no idea what they were eating during the 48 hours prior to the campaigner adjunct aka event march, so that question is moot. That activity was from 11:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., and the rations weren't to be issued until after 7:00 p.m., but before the hours of darkness. As a result of Dane Utter missing a meal at the Antietam 2003 NPS LH, the entire hobby has been paralyzed at the thought of cooking pork after sunset.
We made some assumptions, since our guiding impression was the 1st Minn., and Wright left us with precisely what items they were issued on 30 Jun 63. The first assumption was the salt pork would either kill them or replenish salt lost on the march. They second was they'd toss away any more than 6-8 pieces of hardtack.
For myself, I try to provide a bare minimum of 4,000 mg sodium, 4,000 mg potassium and 400 mg magnesium. Another 1,000 mg of the first two is better. Seems to work for me, but I'm curious what's figured as an average sufficient electrolyte consumption for a large group of men.
Magnesium recommendation is 400, and the marching ration provides 955.54 mg per day or 239%. This is one for one with Hank's 400 mg preference.
Potassium recommendation is 3,500, and the marching ration provides 4,044.21 mg or 116%. This is nearly 1,000 mg less that Hank's preference, and barely over the minimum threshold..
Sodium recommendation is 2,400, and the marching ration provides 9,506.46 or 396%. This is close to 2x Hank's 5,000 mg preference.
Cool.
Did the officers calculate the daily electrolytes, discover they were inadequate, and recalculate with the Gatorade included, and if so, what were the figures? What do they consider a good target amount?
According to the label, 20 fluid ounces of Gatorade has:
Magnesium: 0 mg
Potassium: 75 mg
Sodium: 270 mg
That's about 8.43 gallons of Gatorade per man per day, based on potassium just to reach the level of marching rations. Somewhere in that old thread we also pulled up the "food values" (to use a term from a few generations ago) of switchel.
Neil,
You'd probably enjoy the 19th century food Yahoo Group/listserver, and I learn a great deal from it. This is primarily for civilian food discussions, but a good number of the folks actually try period receipts, and the resource (including both books and sources of supply) information is quite useful. It's a relatively quiet list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/19centfood/
That mountain of salt cod sitting in Boston found its way to Ohio training camps as codfish gravy. I'm sure some wag thought it would be a nice treat for the inland boys.
Hank Trent
07-06-2008, 07:52 PM
AoP Marching Ration as a Percentage of USDA RDA
Vitamin A (RE) 0%
Vitamin C (mcg) 0%
That's pretty fascinating. And sure enough, scurvy was one nutritional issue that doctors battled. I had to go look up Vitamin A deficiency. Looks like night blindness and lowered ability to fight infections are the symptoms. It could be found in some foraged things like carrots, peaches, greens, etc.
Edited to add: a quick search shows that night blindness was a well-known complaint among sailors and sometimes soldiers on the march or in the spring, attributed sometimes to the bright light in the tropics or stress of military life or glare from the snow in winter. Haven't found Civil War specifics yet, but sounds like it would be a complaint that could be found.
I aim for history, but generally fall short.
Though I meant targets as in how many milligrams, rather than a more philosophical one, but I must admit I like your answer better; it's what I do as well. :D
According to the label, 20 fluid ounces of Gatorade has:
Magnesium: 0 mg
Potassium: 75 mg
Sodium: 270 mg
That's about 8.43 gallons of Gatorade per man per day, based on potassium just to reach the level of marching rations.
Which is why I get a little annoyed when reenactors insist on it for "safety" or "health" reasons, as if they're not so stupid as to endanger their health like those foolish hardcores who eat rotten meat and get lice and don't know what's good for them...
I never told anyone to drink extra water during the event, but after cooking up some salt pork for my surgeon and sharing it with the other private camping with us, can't recall which one said, "That salt pork sure is good, but it makes you want to drink a whole canteen full of water afterward." Ahem. That would be the 19th century way of saying, "Be sure to hydrate." :D
Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net
Charles Heath
07-06-2008, 11:07 PM
...quick search shows that night blindness was a well-known complaint among sailors and sometimes soldiers on the march or in the spring, attributed sometimes to the bright light in the tropics or stress of military life or glare from the snow in winter. Haven't found Civil War specifics yet, but sounds like it would be a complaint that could be found.
Hank,
Now that I've enrolled in Remedial Hyperlinking 099, and fixed the link in Brennan's thesis in that post, you can read the section on night blindness in cyberland, or eyeball it here:
My eyes would not last long: Night blindness
Night blindness results from a deficiency in vitamin A. Whereas the body stores vitamin C for a relatively short period, vitamin A stores become depleted only after one to two years in healthy adults. As such, the number of reported cases during the first year of the war was rather limited; ten by June 1862 in the Army of the Potomac and 136 in all Northern white troops. Like scurvy, those cases that did occur early in the war pointed to an insufficient home diet. Night blindness, too probably occurred more often than reported. Johnny Brendel had night blindness by mid September 1861; it is likely he was not the sole reported case for that month in the army.23
Although a number of physicians attributed the disorder to a poor diet, it was treated by some as a symptom of scurvy, such as the doctors in Lee’s army who told Robert Stiles it was a scorbutic condition. Possibly because of its connection to scurvy and lethargy as well as an improved diet at home for most soldiers, other surgeons believed it could be cured with furloughs.24
The most realistic option for improving vitamin A stores in the average soldier was the sweet potato. Though the vitamin also comes from eggs, milk, cheese, liver, kidney, and some fish oils, these were rarely available to most soldiers. Canned milk from the sutlers was often too expensive for the average soldier, and getting milk from cows was too infrequent; when rations declined, cows were put to better use than milking. Cheese was often putrid when purchased, and liver, kidney, and fish oil were not items the men could be expected to receive.25
Once cases of night blindness became more prevalent, a trend developed in the armies, in which the cases decreased in late fall and winter and increased again around March. From September 1863 to February 1864 the number of reported cases in the Army of the Potomac decreased by eighty-one percent. However, by July they shot up by 986 percent. This seasonal variation occurred with sweet potato harvesting season, which lasted usually from late October until May. That the number of cases reported began to increase prior to May could have been due to the army depleting the surrounding land of available sweet potatoes, a likely possibility by early 1864.26
The drop in number of cases of night blindness in Sherman’s army from July to December 1864 shows the effectiveness of foraging for the men. From July to August the number of cases rose from 216 to 293. However, after seizing Atlanta and during the March to the Sea, pork and sweet potatoes was the bill of fare for many of Sheman’s men. By December only two cases were reported, a ninety-nine percent drop.27
Foraging for the Army of Northern Virginia was limited by early 1863. In his correspondence with Seddon in March, Lee mentioned that any attempts yielded little success. By this time, Frank Paxton’s eyesight had been compromised for the past five months. The previous October, he explained to his wife why his letter had been cut short. “If I undertook to do the writing, my eyes would not last long.” Several months later he wrote, “I sometimes think if my health were good my eyes would give me not trouble.”28
21 Stiles, Marse Robert, 348.
22 Bollet, Civil War Medicine, 356.
23 NIH, MedlinePlus; Whitney, Nutrition, 358; MSHCW, 32-33, 149; Bollet, Civil War Medicine,357; Venner, Swamp Hogs, 19.
24 Bollet, Civil War Medicine, 356.
25 NIH, MedlinePlus.
26 MSHCW, 324-25, 492.
27 Ibid, 544-45.
28 Paxton, Frank “Bull” Paxton, 58, 74.
This could explain why men wanted the various dairy products when they could be had, and the urge for the offal or "5th Quarter." Conventional wisdom states the dog robbers got the innards, but at least once commissary officer wrote this:
"The brigade commissary should keep an account of the hides, hoofs, etc., of animals slaughtered, sending a report of the same to the division commissary. No part of the animal that is edible should be thrown away, given away, or wasted. There should be an understanding as to the proportion in which the ' ' fifth quarter" should be issued, say at 2 pounds for 1 of contract beef, and sold to officers accordingly. " - Bvt. Col. M. R. Morgan, Fort Leavenworth, KS, 25 Nov 1865,
This puts the liver, kidneys, etc. as going in a different direction from the enlisted folks, nonetheless, plenty of accounts exist of enlisted fellows getting the "5th Quarter" when they could. The fish oil situation is interesting. We know anchovy sauce is out there under a more familiar name, menhaden would choke a starving alley cat, and I'm not sure where cod liver oil as a patent medicine was at this time, however, those darn sardine cans found in camps may be a clue here, as would be the barrels and barrels of mackerel that show up on inventoried. Dried, salt cod is not likely to have a lot of oil. Salt, smoked, herring or "blind robins" were available here and there. Would the ingestion of sardines help ward off night blindness to some degree? Well, I haven't seen it mentioned in the immediate post-war journals where scurvy is being argued ad nauseum from 1865-1868, but those articles are interesting nevertheless. Other canned fish is showing up in 1864-1865, but I can't tell how far down it is going below maybe division hospital area. A heck of a lot of the non-regulation foods in official channels stop before they get down that far, too. Of course, there is always the sutler.
I find these hospital subsistence lists interesting, although this is a late war average from the post war publication "How to Feed an Army, page 100:"
Hospital purchases for 1,000 men one month:
6 tons of ice
145 pounds of crackers
363 pounds of cheese
102 cans of tomatoes
69 gallons of coal oil
26 gallons of rum
6 cans of pears
184 gallons of ale
9 cans of catsup
52 gallons of cider
726 pounds of butter
27 gallons of sirup [sic]
16 cans of peaches
23 barrels of apples
672 dozen eggs
2 boxes of oranges
350 pounds of poultry
2 boxes of lemons
156 gallons of milk (fresh)
2 boxes of raisins
60 pounds of corn starch
2 pounds of cinnamon
200 pounds of washing soda
The above is the average of purchases for 1,000 men at several general hospitals, during the month of April 1865.
...like those foolish hardcores who eat rotten meat and get lice and don't know what's good for them....
You know, just issue hard to find, heirloom, period variety, lice fully esconced, immersed, and infested, in blankets at just one or two events, and they hold it against you forever. By the way, I have a line on some vaccination resistant measles, consumption, and smallpox strains from our friends at the NIH, if you are interested in kicking up the next medical living history program a notch or two. Just kidding.
RJSamp
09-02-2008, 01:11 PM
Though I meant targets as in how many milligrams, rather than a more philosophical one, but I must admit I like your answer better; it's what I do as well.
Quote:
According to the label, 20 fluid ounces of Gatorade has:
Magnesium: 0 mg
Potassium: 75 mg
Sodium: 270 mg
That's about 8.43 gallons of Gatorade per man per day, based on potassium just to reach the level of marching rations.
Charles Heath
Which is why I get a little annoyed when reenactors insist on it for "safety" or "health" reasons, as if they're not so stupid as to endanger their health like those foolish hardcores who eat rotten meat and get lice and don't know what's good for them
Hank Trent
Your assumption that one would drink ONLY Gatorade for their daily nutritional requirement, and the fallacy of comparing ingesting food (a marching diet) vs liquids (Gatorade) for their daily nutritional requirements has not escaped the masses. At least the coloring/flavoring of the liquids to encourage consumption of the liquid and salts (as opposed to a gallon of water and a spoonful of salt for example) is mentioned by you, but then not mentioned in your summary. If it takes 8.43 gallons of Gatorade to get a daily dose of salt.....how many gallons of WATER does it take to get a daily dose of Salt? A river or three? If the flavor/Color of gatorade encourages me to drink a liter an hour.....and plain old water and three strips of bacon are about as appealing as sand after a three hour march and the teenager drinks little of the water/eats no bacon..... who is more in danger of dehydration when the march resumes 10 minutes later?
You should have compared drinking water and coffee only in 1863 versus Gatorade and water only in 2008.....or compared water + coffee + marching rations vs Gatorade + coffee + water + whatever the 2008 soldier ate...anything else is simply BS.
You two should know better......We do.
Hank Trent
09-02-2008, 04:54 PM
You two should know better......We do.
Who is "we"? It's certainly not "us." I think you might be referring to "them." :D
Bottom line: There's no reason to drink Gatorade (or do other modern things) during reenactments that attempt to replicate 1860s life, unless it's absolutely necessary for health. Drinking Gatorade isn't necessary for health, because the same ingredients are available in period food.
If you're arguing that Gatorade is "necessary" because participants will refuse to eat and drink enough period foods and liquids, that's a different hobby.
Hank Trent
hanktrent@voyager.net
nrandolph
09-02-2008, 10:36 PM
If you can be in some sort of static camp scenario, switchell is a very pleasant and efficient hydrator. We, the cooks at AHT, fixed about 4-5 gallons for the staff and after working over a pretty hot fire in normal summer temps, I really didn't even get to the point where I felt thirsty. I like it with just a touch more ginger than the recipe calls for. It's a satisfying 19th century drink!
Charles, thanks for hooking me up with that 19th century food civilian board..some interesting discussions there.
Neil Randolph
1st WV
Charles Heath
09-06-2008, 09:13 PM
Neil,
Haymaker switchel and tasty shrub can be quite portable, and easy to prepare and dispense on the march; however, few will drink it with the sort of gusto required. Been there, done that. Several times over. The same goes with sweet potato consumption, but people really do seem to enjoy dried peaches. Mmmmm, good.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here looking at 20 pounds of desiccated potatoes in Maryland from a supplier in North Carolina -- knowing they'll be hooked up with a mound of salt beef currently sitting in Iowa (originally intended for an event in Georgia) for an event in Missouri -- on a thread about some Minnesota and Ohio fellows' march in Pennsylvania. Gotta love this hobby.
Here's the 19th century food link again for those who may have missed it earlier:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/19centfood/
As an update to a previous subject, somewhere in the time between Marmaduke's Raid and After The Battle, I'll get the Mil Rat (thanks, Ron) listserver rolled out.
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