Interesting blanket roll

[SGulley]

I know it's a studio shot, but still an interesting concept.

[RyanBWeddle]

I know it's a studio shot, but still an interesting concept.


Whoa, that is sophistifunk !!! Check out that Pipe in the cap band...

Where did that come from ???

[paulcalloway]

Great image Scott. Truely a fine set of whiskers on that man to boot.

[SGulley]

Ryan,

The LOC site.

[RyanBWeddle]

Ryan,

The LOC site.


What is the tag line / description ? ?

[CJSchumacher]

Whoa, that is sophistifunk !!! Check out that Pipe in the cap band...

Where did that come from ???

That guy was "hardkewl" and didn't even know it!! Trousers rolled for a studio shot and everything...so "core!" Actually, it does give a nice shot of the bottom-lining of his trousers.

How long will it take to see someone walking around with their blanket like that?? Forget the toothbrushes and tobacco pouches in the bottonholes...I want to see the "Pipe in yer' cap" fad!! :shades_sm

[SGulley]

What is the tag line / description ? ?

Sgt. F Cozzen, 7th NYSM

LOC link (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?ils:529:./temp/~pp_wGiw::displayType=1:m856sd=cwpb:m856sf=05291:@ @@mdb=ils)

[pops]

Is it just me or is the haversack large?

[Matthew.Rector]

Oh! and look! His belt is over his haversack strap! Great studio portrait. Thanks for posting that Scott.

[RyanBWeddle]

Is it just me or is the haversack large?

Oh! and look! His belt is over his haversack strap! Great studio portrait. Thanks for posting that Scott.

Okay, let's get beyond the obvious and down to the nitty gritty !!!

This is another possible mis-marking by late-19th C. archivists!

Check this out; his belt buckle plate is marked "Sixth NG"

WHOOOOOOA!

[Minieball577]

Okay, let's get beyond the obvious and down to the nitty gritty !!!

This is another possible mis-marking by late-19th C. archivists!

Check this out; his belt buckle plate is marked "Sixth NG"

WHOOOOOOA!
Of course you mean "Sixth NY".

[RyanBWeddle]

Of course you mean "Sixth NY".


Nope! SIXTH NG, the "NG" is in cursive and is typical of the period New York National Guard plates and buckles...

The term "National Guard" was used by several early war New York regiments.... see p.7-8 of Troiani's Regiments and Uniforms

Another reason for the "Sixth" is that he is from the sixth company of the 7th Reg't. Now that I remember, some of their pre-war gear was numbered by company...

[markmason]

I believe his haversack is is being worn with the flap against his hip. I have seen another photo showing the haversack being worn to the INSIDE so to speak.

[ewtaylor]

Okay, let's get beyond the obvious and down to the nitty gritty !!!

This is another possible mis-marking by late-19th C. archivists!

Check this out; his belt buckle plate is marked "Sixth NG"

WHOOOOOOA!
Sgt Cozzen's name doesnt appear on the NPS CWSS system site, but the Sixth Ny National Guard does. 1863, 30day unit.
ewtaylor
bluegrass rifles

[Clark Badgett]

Maybe it's just me, but it has a post war flavor to it. Were the NYNG units armed with 1861 Springfields early in the war? (Personally I think it's and 1863 Springfield, and converted to the Allin Trapdoor .50-70 configuration.)

[CJSchumacher]

I'm with Ryan on this one. He's also sporting a leather canteen sling complete with safe under the buckle.

Can anyone nail down a regimental number on the front of his kepi?? There appears to be something there...(other than "Ol' Shmokey")

[RyanBWeddle]

This photo is most likely an image struck prior to the 7th NYSM departure to Washington on April 19th, 1861 . . . If you browse that LOC site you find quite a number of 7th photos . . .

His company number on his cap reads "6" aka "Co. F" . . .

"In 1857, the army changed from the use of a number to the use of a letter to designate the company, much to the annoyance of the regiment. The Board of Officers decided that in all official matters they would use the letter designation, but that internally they would continue to refer to the companies by number. This habit persisted up to 1917, but in late 1861, the company numerals on the fatigue cap were replaced by a regimental '7'."

and

"On 19 April 1861, The Seventh Regiment (National Guard), New York State Militia, was the largest military unit in the nation and, symbolically, the most important. The vast majority of regiments, regular or militia, existed in name only, their component comapnies scattered in various towns and cities in the states and, in the case of the Regular Army, around the nation."

From Military Collector & Historian Vol. 52 No. 2
"Overcoats Were Worn! - Or Were They? The Departure of the Seventh New York in 1861" by Kenyon B. Fitzgerald pp. 51-55

[RyanBWeddle]

Here is the famous shot from the LoC of a member of the 5th Company, 7th NY:

<img src="http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cwpb/04700/04764r.jpg"> <img src="http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cwpb/05200/05290r.jpg">

We see that he mirrors 'Sgt. Cozzens' basically in uniform, and is carrying a Springfield of the 1855 variety most likely.

[Vuhginyuh]

Same floor covering in each.

[The Pigman]

The pipe in the hat thing!

I used to put a clay pipe in the band of my slouch hat but they kept falling out.

How do you suppose he is holding the pipe on his kepi?

Is it tucked under the chinn strap?

Thanks,
Mark C. Foster

[RyanBWeddle]

Looks like it is held on by a string/ribbon which is wrapped around the base of the kepi, holding in the pipe... There doesn't appear to be a chin strap....
This ribbon/string he is using for this purpose, also partially covers his company number "6".

Check out the attachment . . .

It looks like a gag, for the photograph, I can't see how this is a feasible way to carry a pipe in the field, it just is an elite member of the "Silk Stocking Regiment" pimping for the camera.

[Minieball577]

Maybe it's just me, but it has a post war flavor to it. Were the NYNG units armed with 1861 Springfields early in the war? (Personally I think it's and 1863 Springfield, and converted to the Allin Trapdoor .50-70 configuration.)
The rifle-musket has a swelled ramrod, which eliminates the possibility of an 1863 type. This tells us that the rifle-musket is either an 1861 or an 1855. In my opinion, judging from the lock side of the rifle-musket in the photo, it is an 1855 Rifle-musket.

[RyanBWeddle]

<img src="http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c20000/3c26000/3c26500/3c26533r.jpg">

<img src="http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c05000/3c05200/3c05258r.jpg">

<img src="http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b40000/3b42000/3b42500/3b42582r.jpg">
<img src="http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c02000/3c02400/3c02483r.jpg">

These are images of some boys from 8th Company, 7th NY, after their arrival in D.C. in late April. They were stationed at Camp Cameron, in GeorgeTown.

They show the same uniform as that of Sgt. Cozzens & the 'Union Volunteer' as well as the proof of the 1855 musket. See the blown up attachment for the last photo.

[Vuhginyuh]

Ryan
If you have time, can you kindly add a few lines (or a link) about the fate of some of these boys?

[Minieball577]

These are images of some boys from 8th Company, 7th NY, after their arrival in D.C. in late April. They were stationed at Camp Cameron, in GeorgeTown.

They show the same uniform as that of Sgt. Cozzens & the 'Union Volunteer' as well as the proof of the 1855 musket. See the blown up attachment for the last photo.

Cool photos. One thing I find interesting is the mix of different 1855 Rifle-muskets. Some of them have the long range rear sight, and some have the 1858 type sight.

[Matthew.Rector]

Ryan,
Could you please provide the source of the four grouped photos ? I'm just curious. Just looking for a quick reference. Do they come from Library of Congress, too or National Archives?
Thanks!

[RyanBWeddle]

Ryan,
Could you please provide the source of the four grouped photos ? I'm just curious. Just looking for a quick reference. Do they come from Library of Congress, too or National Archives?
Thanks!


Yes, they are LoC Photos.

[hireddutchcutthroat]

How the heck is that blanket staying like that? What a rube!

[KentuckyReb]

Has nothing to do with equipage, but is that a dog or some kind of gargoyle under that guy's arm...?

[Fod]

it could just be the arm position, but comparing the 6th and the 5th company men, there's a slight variation in the way the cuff trim and buttons was added. One looks centered over the thumb, the other the middle of the wrist.

Regarding the pipe in the hat and it's practicality, yes it may be a gag, but try it. When I was a smoker, I found that my hat band was actually a good place to hold a partially smoked (even still-lit) cigar. I could imagine it to be a good place to put a hot pipe with worrying about burning embers falling out inside your pocket.

[RyanBWeddle]

it could just be the arm position, but comparing the 6th and the 5th company men, there's a slight variation in the way the cuff trim and buttons was added. One looks centered over the thumb, the other the middle of the wrist.

Regarding the pipe in the hat and it's practicality, yes it may be a gag, but try it. When I was a smoker, I found that my hat band was actually a good place to hold a partially smoked (even still-lit) cigar. I could imagine it to be a good place to put a hot pipe with worrying about burning embers falling out inside your pocket.


Dan,

We need to remember that this Reg't was the creme dela creme of NYC society, from good families of rich merchants, attorneys, business men, etc. So these coats were tailor made to the man...
If you see very very slight differences that is probably why...

I can assure you they are the wearing the 'same' jacket.

[Holy Joe]

Don't see an "F. Cozzens" listed....but there are two listings of a pvt. "E. Cozzens", Co. F 7th NYSM (30 days 1861 & 30 days 1862)


"Cozzens, Edward; Enlisted 25 May 1862, age 33 Co. "F" 7th New York; Mustered out 05 Sept 1862 in New York, NY"

Will look for alternate spellings as I get time...

[Fod]

Ryan,

On the difference in the jackets, yes, I was assuming the variation was due to different tailors, not implying that they were from different regiments.

I think too, it might be a useful observation when we discuss the difference between replica and reproduction uniforms. Some definitions I wrote up last year read "Replica: A copy. A replica is virtually identical to the original in every detail. Signs of wear or age may or may not be copied and the item still be considered a replica.
Reproduction: An item using period patterns, materials and construction techniques. The variation in a reproduction and an original is the same as “the next one off the production line.” For example, a garment might have details attributed to a certain depot, but still retain the variation seen in different seamstresses. A reproduction may be modeled off an existing artifact or it may be conjectural based upon research"

The jackets depicted in the photos illustrate what I was trying to describe...if you were to make a replica jacket, you would have to pick one or the other, if you were doing a reproduction - the images show the degree of variation exhibited in the originals...hence the degree of variation that could be present in an acceptable reproduction.

Great images and discussion.