"Taking it like a man" revisited...

[Johnny Lloyd]

TAKING HITS is a part of any event that involves firing into an opposition. On Saturday we will break first person for must a minute to explain how we are working with those who take hits. Right now it looks like we will ask those taking hits to join another company or dead company. More details later.

Steve Acker

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"The Mill" was a WONDERFUL event. If you didn't experience it, then you did miss out.

But I must admit, I was looking forward to the "taking hits"thing. I heard during the event that the whole idea didn't materialize due to the fact most (not all) people weren't taking hits on their own and it became a moot point.

Not a problem, but I feel it adds to the challenge of all when commanders/NCOs/fellow privates and units get atritted of bodies and have to compensate real-time for such manpower loss.

Kabuki referees (Reapers??? :eek:) in period dress on each side (perhaps more than one on each side and all calls final) could call losses as the battle progressed. The 'wounded or killed' would have to go to the 'dead platoon' and march-in later as 'reinforcements' after the alotted time was up.

If this has been done at past events, I admit ignorance of it in advance-mea maxima culpa.

Most events, both mainstream and progressive, just don't seem to bother with this detail.

The closest thing I have seen as official was at an old 'streamer event in Bentonville, NC in 1999. But they had the 'wound cards' that were modern Army and looked totally un-period and it disturbed the mood worse than the crowd watching the darn thing.

Hence, yet another reason why most 'streamer events really stink...

Son, any thoughts from the group as a whole... ? I'd like this to be more "how to" and less opinionated as most threads on this topic usually go. :rolleyes:

Thanks for your time -Johnny Lloyd

[Shantyman]

Just curious, by "Army Wound Cards" Are you reffering to four color 4x10 inch START Triage Tags?
I think I relise what youre driving at. At Rich Mountion a year ago little Index cards w/ Killed, Wounded and type/location of wound or Captured were issued. That seemed to work very well. I went to one event and each Company CO was responcable for "Reaper Duty" but that was only a small event. Quite a few times heard being whispered down the line " Lt says If youre birthday is between Sep and Jan Take a hit in the next three muinets", that too seemed to work very well. At the big events it dose seem like there is alot of powder burning and no casualties till the last 10 min. of the battle. At the big ones CO's have more on there minds that casualty ratios, I think unifourmed Reapers should start being considered. At campaign events I like the idia of "Dead Companys" returning latter as reinforcements.

[Charles Heath]

If this has been done at past events, I admit ignorance of it in advance-mea maxima culpa.

Johnny,

Yep. Done to death. Pardon the pun. :p

- Fate cards have tended to be fairly standard since August 1998, but also tend to be on the backlash circuit these days, but some folks will take their roster name and run with it thanks to Ancestry.com and similar sites. Sometimes the research on the part of individuals will yield some wonderful pre (and post) event information. Much of this depends on whether they are simply representing the individual as a name in their pocket, or actually portraying that man in depth. As a counterbalance, some groups are to the point where they have been satiated with the "impression of the month club," and are asking not to be included in the roster name and linked fate card issues. Not everyone desires the level of first person impression detail that goes into a Winter 1864 event.

- The "Dead Company" is done so often that this module is a set piece these days. It was novel at the 2001 Pickett's Mill event, but has been copied time and time again. Still, it provides a useful service, as it answers the "What do we do with these dead people?" question.

- Having evaluators, to use a modern army term, as "tactical" referees isn't anything new, and if you thought Bentonville 2000 was bad, then you should have seen the pitiful imitation churned out at the 3.5 Recon series of events. There is much to be said for mobility, staffing, and for people to actually buy into the game. This is one of those areas of hugely unmet potential.

I'm trying to recall if it was at the Antietam 2003 NPS LH or the Chancellorsville-Wilderness 2004 NPS LH (it may have been both) where the park visitors were incorporated into the scenario, and were given fates, and followed the instructions. That was a moment of thought provocation for both living historian and park visitor. Some of the visitors were visibly moved by it all. They were worth the price of admission.

Good times.

[Johnny Lloyd]

Johnny,

Yep. Done to death. Pardon the pun. :p



Yessir... I reckoned it to be so. :rolleyes:

I was at the Recon II event doing grey in May 2002 and I don't remember seeing reapers, but there could have been some- my eye was not trained to notice quality event details as it is now. All I remember is meeting Joe Hoffman at the entrance and talking awhile with him about his nice goods he had for sale. Also, I remember freezing myself silly Sat. night of the event as the rain came down on us.

"Just curious, by "Army Wound Cards" Are you reffering to four color 4x10 inch START Triage Tags?- Steven Flibotte"

Yep... the same. I was in the Army, but not a medic. :wink_smil

"Quite a few times heard being whispered down the line " Lt says If youre [sic] birthday is between Sep and Jan Take a hit in the next three muinets[sic]", that too seemed to work very well.- Steven Flibotte"

I have seen that done also at the Bentonville... 1999 (or was it 2000 Mr. Heath?) where wound cards were used along with that method. Amongst our group it got kinda chaotic, I must admit, and as normal, most people wanted to 'hang-in-there' for the final charge- ain't that the way it is all the time?:rolleyes:

I'd suggest something a little more formal and set- such as treating the event mechanically more like the way a sports event is treated- a few refs and all calls final. But for those that have been 'wounded' or 'killed' they would get the chance to still participate somehow that would not in the slightest way diminish their personal enjoyment or experience.

Also, you and I know that someone out there wouldn't like a call made by a reaper and get a case of the arse about it all by taking it personally. Care must be taken to make it known to the individual that was 'wounded' that they will still be able to play and enjoy themselves at the event and nothing is personal.

Anyone ever heard of drawing a red-colored cartridge and taking a hit when doing so? I have never seen that done, but heard about it.

"I'm trying to recall if it was at the Antietam 2003 NPS LH or the Chancellorsville-Wilderness 2004 NPS LH (it may have been both) where the park visitors were incorporated into the scenario, and were given fates, and followed the instructions. That was a moment of thought provocation for both living historian and park visitor. Some of the visitors were visibly moved by it all. They were worth the price of admission.- Charles Heath"

That does sound unique, sir. I'd like to see that done to include the 'taters somehow as participants at Living Histories. ;)

There must be SOME way we can maximize the use of a "dead platoon" as standard operating procedure at quality events and hold to the use of such... hmmm. Bugs me a tad bit. :rolleyes::confused:

Thank you- Johnny Lloyd

[LeftCoastYank]

Anyone ever heard of drawing a red-colored cartridge and taking a hit when doing so? I have never seen that done, but heard about it.

I've seen the "red cartridge" method done before. It seemed to work okay. For some reason I always managed to draw a "red one" the first time I loaded my piece - cosmic luck I guess.

[Duff]

The Mifflin Guard does a LH on the Gettysburg battlefield and every year, we replicate the movements of a unit that is chosen by the park ranger, with a separate "battalion" of spectators. Its very interesting. But anyway, when we did the 1st MN, our colonel passed out a card to everyone in the ranks during formation, if it had and X you were "dead," and if it was blank you "lived," in order to illustrate the casualty ratio. The battlefield did not want us to do any theatrics, so the "dead/wounded" just took a knee at some point. It worked very well, But it was not part of a "battle."

I do like the idea of the red cartridge, though. Perhaps there can be a way to incorporate wounded/killed ratio though. Perhaps there can be 3 blue cartridges in you box that would be wounded, and one red that would be death.

Even better, do research on the unit you are portraying for the battle, and calculate the amount of wounded/killed for every 40 men (for each round in a typical cartridge box) , and have that many wounded/killed rounds in your box. Example: the portrayed unit has 400 men. It loses 75 wounded an 25 killed. That would mean 2 out of 40 men were killed, and 8 out of every 40 were wounded. Any thoughts on this? I can see a few flaws, but I'm sure they can be worked out if we try hard enough.

[Hairy Nation Boys]

Wilson's Creek in 1991 we were given fate cards. Worked fairly well.

[Johnny Lloyd]

Wilson's Creek in 1991 we were given fate cards. Worked fairly well.


Fate cards are fine, but I would like to explore/use the idea of something more official at more progressive events along the lines of "reapers" and then being able to "resurrect" at a later point in "the game". Fate cards, I feel, rely too much on the individual's volition and you know how people can be when they have their Iron Undies on at an event. :rolleyes:

-Johnny

[lambrew]

I like the history based approach. Like the Gettysburg LH Duff mentioned, if you are portraying a unit like the 1st Min at that particular battle, they took heavy casualties during their famous stand, and thus your unit should likewise take a heavy hit. It would be hard work, frustrating at times getting everyone on the same page, but in the end be worth it for the experience of being in a unit that was "cut up". I like the idea of the red and blue cartridges. Simple and the math of the deal could be worked out for the ammount of people you have on hand. To be fair to everyone you could make it like drawing straws. If you have to take the hit the first time around, you get to live the next time, and so on. Just a thought.

Respectfully....
Sean Collicott