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T.Kern
06-26-2008, 12:11 AM
After recently attending the so-called Brandy Station reenactment I cannot tell you how appalled and disappointed I was. I primarily saw so-called rebels, nearly every group on the east, but what few Feds I saw looked nearly as poor. I have grave doubts about anything of value coming out of the future for historical cavalry recreations. In my nearly 20 years of cavalry living history and interpretation, including 10 years as curator and director at civil war museums, I have never seen a worse column of so-called cavalry troopers. They no more resembled a civil war horse soldier than does Ronald McDonarld. Josey Wales even looked better, though it was a great movie, any educated person knows that was a poor representation of the 1860's. How bad is that?? When Hollywood is better than cavalry interpreters. Speaking of real solders, it was shameful and a disrespectful thing to do to the memory of real men who made real sacrifices. Cavalry has gone leaps and bounds backwards. They are no more representative and accurate of the 19th century than the re enactors of the 1970's. This after all the studies and primary documentation to surface in the last 30 years!

I suppose I should give some examples but there are so many, where to start! There was not one person there who was authentic, but for maybe half a dozen and they left. I'm sure re enactors reading this will think it's someone else,. as they always do, but I'm here to tell you it was you. You had better look in the mirror, then look at original pictures and artifacts, and not look at other re enactors. Those are two different things. I won't even get into little details such as, wrong uniforms for that period of the war, I'll keep it generalized to just an accurate example of anything from that period! The examples went from the absurd; long haired coatless women with cut out modern gauntlets smoking Marlboros riding paint horses, to the minimal; guys with incorrectly detailed kits and function.
Let's start with uniforms. It seems re enactors think all cavalrymen had boots, this we know is not the case. Even more so, they all have those sutler type boots of the wrong pattern and construction. Generally there are two styles of 19th century boots, (Wellington-one piece fronts with side seams and Napoleon- two piece fronts with back seam. Both had a toe that did not look as if it was made around a block of wood.) These people had neither. Shoes, not boots, in huge numbers were being issued in a south starved for leather, the receipts clearly show this. It also seems that most had jackets not patterned after anything, out of poor material, and machine sewn. Apparently, no one has read Les Jensen's definitive work, "A Survey of Confederate Central Government Quartermaster Issue Jackets". Then of course, like any good Hollywood B movie , the hat string! On a crappy hillbilly hat, it just can't be beat! It screams FARB. There is absolutely no evidence this was ever done during the war! Even twenty years later in the west, one study suggested maybe only 25% of the cowboys did it. There are no original hats with holes for that, there are no pictures of soldier using them, and there is no primary documentation for it, but there is documentation to the contrary. It is another reenactorism!
How about weapons! It seems again every re enactor had multiple pistols. Well, this bit of folklore we know is untrue, the supply simply was not there. All one has to do is read any inspection , receipts, or returns. Yes , Yes , some guy wrote about it but that was the exception to the rule. What we have to consider is what was common. Otherwise we end up with a lot of jaguar skin pants! What was most common from issues, first hand accounts, and illustrations is that the vast majority were lucky if they even had one, much less two. For some brigades, less than 50% of the troopers had a revolver. Furthermore, as interpretive historians it is our duty not to show the abnormality as normal. BUT not re enactors, they have 3, 4, 5 all carried in abhorrent representations of holsters on saddles or on belts worn low like some gunslinger in a movie rather than at the belly button where it's intended. The same argument can again be re-directed towards the wearing of sabres on saddles. Again , while there are examples of it being done, there is little evidence of everyone doing it, especially at this point in the war. Otherwise, why are they issuing sword belts with the sabres? Not to mention the first hand accounts and images of guys carrying them on the BELT! Here is one confederate account from the 18th Virginia cav after Gburg," ... we were supporting the batteries, we were all dismounted...they ran us from one battery to the other...we had our side arms and sabres and all the straps, etc., a cavalryman has to carry which made it awful hard on us boys..." it was a hot day for them. While I've heard the "there is a letter" story it has yet to be produced. Either way, I watched all these so-called confederates draw sabres and not one did it properly as prescribed by the manuals. Nor did they have any clue how to hang it on the sabre hook or even when too. As for throwing them away, well, all one has to do is read the accounts of sabre charges during the Appomattox campaign to dispel that myth. Another mistake, these re enactor think CS cav all had Sharps, which again has been disproved beyond a doubt. We know from inspections, receipts, and correspondences that if a trooper had a long arm it was more likely a muzzle loader. From returns and inspection there is not a regiment that doesn't have a variety of long arms listed. Sure Sharps were around but not everyone, but nary a muzzle loader could be seen across the back of these re enactors.
Next, saddlery. Wow! What a poor representation of what 19th century saddlery was. According to these folks. there must have been no other saddle than a McClellan during the war, and those representations were pretty poor. The hoods that looked like buckets hanging from the stirrups. Incorrect patterns and construction abound. Bridles and halters, forget about it! Chrome bits and buckles, big white stitching, and no other bit than the repro1864 US bit, except of course for modern chrome ones. Bits that were improperly fitted in the houses mouth and saddles improperly fitted and rigged on horses backs. Forget about proper packing of the saddle, or even for that matter comfort for the horse. For one, no one knows how to properly roll a sleeping blanket. Everyone carries their canteen on the saddle with a snap hook, a reenactorism! While some accounts of canteens being slung over the bedroll exist NEVER has there been an account of canteen snap hooks, except for one placed on a canteen years after the war by some dealer embellishing a story.. Canteens and canteen strap were issued together. Even better, how do you drink when fighting on foot? One Manual written during the war by Maj. James Congdon of the 12th Pa cav. address' the canteen with one sentence,," The canteen should NEVER be attached to the saddle". That says enough, I won't bother to to mention other regimental General orders that says wear it. Congdon's could help everyone with their incorrect saddling as well as placing the effects. It is the only manual that tells how a McClellan saddle should be correctly fitted.
While we're at it, the horsemanship was appalling. I make my living today as a professional horseman. I won't speak of the poor riding but to the care of the horses. These people should not be called cavalrymen! A cavalryman always puts his horse first, but not these people. They burden their horse with everything they are too lazy to carry. They also bring unfit horses. To top that, on a 94 degree day with high humidity and a three hour ride to Farley, then a two hour lunch break there, they don't even bother to unsaddle or for many even loosen the girth on their horses. Even worse, there was no water for horses at the site and no effort made by many to go to water before they rode back. One day when more horses die at an event some extreme group like PETA will have ya'll's ass. This is nothing new , for years I have seen horses left saddled and tied standing in the sun all day or beaten when their incompetent rider falls off because he didn't work with the horse enough. These people fall into everything the media want Southerners to be portrayed as, and that isn't good.
Should we even mention the camps? The complete lack of anything 19th century atmosphere, and the vehicles of all kinds! It turned into a beer drinking camporee on an original battlefield.
How could this all happen? There was a fellow who had written a book on Breathed's battery. An educated fellow one would guess to have written a book, yet everything he had on was wrong. I don't mean to pick on him, he was better than many, I'm just making a point. So the question is, how does an educated person get it all so wrong? The answer has to be from the top, leadership, or lack of it. Like most he probably got into the first group he found and was not pointed in the right direction. He was not given info on where to find the studies and information on material culture. He was not told where to find accurate makers of such items, not told what was right and what was wrong. This because the leaders don't know and worse, after talking to them, they don't care! They only care about making themselves important by more numbers, and the truth. be damned. They cry, It's too hard/expensive and will drive people away. Both have been proven untrue, but why ruin something with the facts. It is ego and ignorance, and worse, they spew that ignorance on an unsuspecting public who mistakenly trust them because they have funny clothes on. It seems all the leaders who drove to better historical interpretation are gone. There is no leadership is left. The result is reenactments with non-period uniforms, non-period equipment, non-period saddlery, on non-period horses (paints were not commonly bred till later in the century), non-period women ( women when found in the ranks, what few there were, were sent home) using non-period tactics.
I encouraging every historic site to stop devaluing and distorting history by using these purveyors of myth and Hollywood. This is harmful to real history and just like the use of re enactors on the history channel or in the latest J.P. Strain artwork, it is a sell out. There has been a downward spiral of late in the history field. One that places entertainment over accurate history. I realize historic sites are always looking for anything to draw people in, it is a hard job to produce revenue and P. R. at a historic site. Be reminded though, It is just as detrimental to use poor history as to have low revenues. The loss of integrity and historical accuracy far outweighs the flash in the pan revenues, and the stigma of not being considered a serious historical site is hard to shake. Having worked in the museum field, unfortunately most program directors don't know the difference between the good, the bad, and the ugly when approached by re enactors. It is the historians job to reconstruct the picture of the past, yet re enactors are allowed to wear, say , and do whatever, and they get away with it. NO , it is time they are called on it. Called for their deceit and lack of integrity. Program directors should developed standard and stick to them , just as event organizers should too.
Some people say I shouldn't say anything , what good does it do? They won't change, they just want to play cowboys and Indians. I say, if that is so maybe they should just go trail riding or play paint ball and not belittle the memory of our ancestors. If one person re-examines his kit or one site develops new standards, this letter will have served some useful purpose. Though, I'm sure the upcoming Gettysburg will be even worse and nothing will change. Re enactors should be ashamed, but apparently for ego or profit, they have no shame.

Todd Kern
Valley Light Horse
Winchester , Virginia

Prodical Reb
06-26-2008, 12:26 AM
So the "Dance of the Saber Fairies" didn't suit ya! Imagine that! his account of the riders beating the horses reminds me of the rider that fell off in the barn yard as we marched by during the "Summer of 62" preservation march only the rider ended up with the ride in the ambulance that day! Man was that funny! ROTF LMAO just thinking about it!

rbruno
06-26-2008, 12:38 PM
Todd,
I too was at the event and was disappointed on many fronts. We have talk in detail at events about what is correct or not and variations and different opinions. All of which has help expand my understanding and knowledge as well as, I hope, your knowledge and understanding. I too believe that overall cavalry has taken a few steps back, and we talked about possible reasons why at the event. I think someone on the other forum mentioned that the progressive/campaigner movement has had more of an impact on the infantry side than cav. I would agree with that completely. I think the bigger question at this point is what to do about it. I ask that question because I really don't know. I think we have a couple of choices.
1. We can say that we will have nothing to do with mainstream events/groups and just focus on the events and organizations we feel do the best job trying to portray a CW trooper.

2. Try to attend events and work with people and their organizations and demonstrate more correct, not perfect, but more correct ways of doing things.

or

3. Do nothing.

I ask these questions because outside of number three, I don't know which will be best. I have had discussions with other troopers and we all I think realize how limited we are in most events when we only have 10 guys on a side. I am going to the mainstream G-burg to ride with a lot of troopers no matter how good they are just for the experience of riding with more people. I know there will be a repeat of what you described, but I am going for different reasons then just authenticity. ( I can't believe I just said that on this forum) In my opinion, the idea of doing something correct is more a mindset or philosophy on how to do things. Till you get some of the troopers out there to change the way they think, we may not make much progress. As everyone knows, this is also the most difficult thing to change. Anyone can buy a correct jacket/weapon/widget but getting someone to think more along the lines of a CW trooper is difficult. Again, I am not sure how we go about this, but I think it is worth a discussion or we will always be a couple of guys running around on horses and maybe that is ok, but it would be nice to pull more mounted reenactors to the more correct side.

Maybe a few of our comrades from the infantry side could shed some light on what turned or helped change some of the mainstream inf. to be more authentic.

Rob Bruno
1st MD Cav

ps. I agree with most of what you said, but would always love to disagree on some. :D
pss. After you left, the bareshirted beer bellies with suspenders and boots was interesting.
psss. mainly I am upset that no one offered me a cold one:cry_smile
pssss. I take that back, someone did. Please don't let my ramblings at this point distract from my above thoughts.

Rob Bruno
1st MD Cav

Tom Craig
06-26-2008, 10:03 PM
Gents,

I didn't go to Brandy Station, but I have seen the mainstream cavalry at a number of events in the past couple years, and I know exactly what Todd is speaking of.

Rob asks how do we deal with this, and that is a question that I grapple with as well. I am no great fan or believer in missionary work, but I also know as someone said on another forum, and Todd said in his message, impression is often a matter of leadership.

If a guy joins a unit, and they tell him that this or that farbocity is correct, then he is likely to believe it. The same is true in the infantry, but there are two differences: 1)There are a lot more infantry guys out there, and 2)There is a ton more to learn, know and do in cavalry. Neither of those are excuses, but they do impact what goes on in our side of things. The fact that there is more infantry means that there are a lot more guys who can get it right (lots to get it wrong too). The part about the greater knowledge is that the infantry guy has so much less to learn and focus on, that it is easier to spend time on research, go on the AC etc to figure things out on your own. If you are a new guy with a horse you have to worry about your own gear, your tack, and most importantly what is safe for your horse and you. With all that to focus on there isn't too much spare time for research etc.

So, it comes back to leadership. Those of us who have figured things out need to provide leadership to those who are still struggling to get on their feet in the hobby. The big question becomes wether we simply provide that leadership to those in our own unit/sphere of influence, or wether we should make some attempt to shed some light to the fellas that Todd complained about?

Take care,
Tom Craig

lukegilly13
06-26-2008, 10:48 PM
I know EXACTLY what you mean! I attended a similar event lately...me and maybe 5 others from this forum attended the event all campaigning. I had a guy setting on his cooler walk down to my groundcloth and ask me to "pick up my condom wrapper" refering to the handsewn muslin hankerchief that I use when cleaning my musket. I had dropped it on the ground while trying to remove the cone from my musket using my musket tool. He also asked if we could "straighten up our camp because they were trying to maintain an authentic standard". I guess my MB&S knapsack and original coverlet along with handstitched uniforms documented to the event were not good enough to suit his 2006 jeep authenticity standards.
Things like this were my reasoning in starting my mess. If this is any help to you...we go to the mainstream events and set up campaigner camps right in the middle of the pathway they expect the visitors to come through. My hope is that they talk to us instead or at least before they make it to the farbsters. We usually get several people listening to us for a great deal of time and they, in the end, discover that we were much more passionate about what we were doing as were the other. If your experience has been like mine, at the "officers call" meeting, nobody wants to claim us. But when it comes scrapping time...everyone wants us as part of their plan!

On another note, has anyone else noticed the EXTREME decline in specators at events this year? Yeah I know...gas prices. But I'm afraid it's more than that because I haven't seen 1/3 of the spectators actually intersted in learning about the civil war this year.

VaTrooper
06-30-2008, 01:55 PM
If you want to help the Cav out there then you have to be at their events. It can't be done at events like Goose Creek or Welbourne. And certainly not by internet rants like that. Drop the attitudes, attend the events, mingle in, help out, and then maybe you'll see some results. Share some of your knowledge with people face to face. There are a lot of new people in the hobby that may not even realize they're doing it wrong. Getting a few going in the right direction is a good start.

Andrew Kasmar
06-30-2008, 05:19 PM
Hi,

1. I think that Campaigners should go to mainstream events for a few reasons. Mainly to show the public how the Civil War really looked, and not how most reenactors portray it. Another reason to go to mainstream events, is to show mainstreamers how it really looked and felt to have fought in the Civil War. At my second event ( Pilot Knob), I saw a company of campaigners. After looking at their kits, and watching what they were doing, I deceided that campaigning was the way to go. I think that if I had not seen this company that I would still be staying in my farby tent, and using and wearing my farby clothing and equipment.
2. I know where Mr. Kern is coming from. It does drive me crazy when I see a man wearing a "common gery jacket" with light blue trim and a pair of Federal trousers.
3. The main problem is that when most people join a company they are told to buy the wrong gear. They will tell you to buy that unlined grey sack coat with light blue trim; along with a pair of Federal trousers, and a Confederate forage cap.

All I am trying to say, is that I understand that we get frustrated with mainstream events. But I still think that we should go to them, if nothing else to at least try to educate the public and the other reenactors at these events.

T.Kern
07-01-2008, 01:35 PM
If you want to help the Cav out there then you have to be at their events. It can't be done at events like Goose Creek or Welbourne. And certainly not by internet rants like that. Drop the attitudes, attend the events, mingle in, help out, and then maybe you'll see some results. Share some of your knowledge with people face to face. There are a lot of new people in the hobby that may not even realize they're doing it wrong. Getting a few going in the right direction is a good start.

Well sorry but you are mistaken, William my friend. You are fairly new. I have over the years attended mainstream events, shared info ( especially with the same "leaders" running the events and units today), and shown them whatever. But for picking up a few interested people, the philistines continued to get worse rather than grasp for enlightenment, they go backwards. It was truly casting pearls before swine, as when I recently talked to those "leaders", they didn't care about new research or anything else for that matter, just the same ol'... Years ago, I even held a camp of instruction for one group who was on the verge of becoming very good, and now they are among the worst- and it's the same people as before. So much for my time and effort. What a waste. No matter what info I share with new people if their "leaders" don't care they will reenact re enactors. Why should I waste my energy at something that embarrassing, I do not want to hang out with that ilk. Yes, we'll go to mainstream events but to call that mainstream is a step up. They do not notice or care anyway. Just as years ago, on the last Internet war on the other forum, it's time to call a spade a spade. Then, it did some good and got saddle makers to produce a more accurate repro and people began to realize they were being sold crap. So internet rants do at times work. Just make sure your "leaders" read it... if they can.
Just as I said, these people should be shamed and shunned. We need quality people out there but after seeing reenactor cav most people don't want to be around that. But I don't really care anymore, I can't save them and I'm tired of babysitting. You even chose to ride with them. So much for my effort. We'll have a good turnout for Hodge's preservation march in Unison and the Fisher's Hill event. We'll get to educate the public and glimpse into the experience of a horse soldier, neither of which is any longer possible at the "carnival" events.

Todd Kern

VaTrooper
07-01-2008, 02:16 PM
Well I'll continue to do it may way. See you at Welbourne.

I did bring you Purvis. LOL.