Three Generals in camp

[dusty27]

http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/cwp/4a39000/4a39600/4a39657r.jpg

I can pick out Meade but where are the other two; Sedgwick and Tyler?

[Dignann]

Dusty,

Yes, the fellow standing second from right is "Uncle John" Sedgwick. This photo was taken near Brandy Station, Va. during the winter of 1863-1864. Sedgwick's headquarters was at "Farley," the Welford/Stearns home, which was only about a mile north of Meade's headquarters, which was located on a small knoll east of Fleetwood Hill.

I don't know who the other general is, but I'll see if I can't figure it out.

By the way, for a good overview of the Union winter camps in Culpeper County, see Clark B. Hall's "Season of Change: The Winter Encampment of the Army of the Potomac, December 1, 1863 - May 4, 1864" in Blue & Gray Magazine , Volume VIII, Issue 4 (Spring 1991).

Eric

[RyanBWeddle]

Meade looks lost... someone sit him down...


Go to:

www.generalsandbrevets.com - you might be able to associate a few faces from that site...

[Dignann]

The fellow at far right, to Sedgwick's left, is General Robert O. Tyler, commanding the Reserve Artillery for the AoP.

Compare to this photo:

Robert O. Tyler (http://www.civil-war.net/cw_images/files/images/764.jpg)

Eric

[PrettyBoyDonovan]

Thats an unusual hat Sedgewick is wearing. It kinda looks like a derby. Any idea's of what style it actually is?

[Vuhginyuh]

Great damn ''overcoat'' in the center.The one at the far left left looks like AEF foul-weather gear. Jason can you zoom in on these two guys?

[ThehosGendar]

It looks like Sedgwick is standing right next to Tyler:

http://www.3nj.org/sedgty.jpg

Here's a studio image of Tyler:
http://www.3nj.org/tyler.jpg

It looks like the 18 button front jackets were popular on the staff (what a pain in the ... )!
http://www.3nj.org/millionbuttons.jpg

[DougCooper]

Bill Watson has a new persona - Gen John Sedgewick!

http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/cwp/4a39000/4a39600/4a39657r.jpg

I can pick out Meade but where are the other two; Sedgwick and Tyler?

[HOG.EYE.MAN]

Jason,

If you don't mind, could you zoom in on the left hand side of the photo and give us a close up of the officer wearing the overcoat?

Thanks Jason,

[ThehosGendar]

There's two officer's wearing overcoats, so I snipped both of them:

Double breasted sky blue:
http://www.3nj.org/overcoat1.jpg

Dark blue French officers pattern:
http://www.3nj.org/overcoat2.jpg

And look at this officer's arm in a tourniquet!
http://www.3nj.org/tourniquet.jpg

[Vuhginyuh]

Great damn ''overcoat'' in the center.The one at the far left left looks like AEF foul-weather gear. Jason can you zoom in on these two guys?

Thanks Jason...

[huntdaw]

The fellow standing on the right of the officer with the arm in a sling - Any idea what kind of medal he is wearing?

[Jayhawk102]

Dark blue French officers pattern:
http://www.3nj.org/overcoat2.jpg



I think this photo is of Gen. Sheridan?? There are some photos of him in Napleon poses, so he could of bought something of a french pattern. He is also short, and so was he.

Any other guesses

[FC Barlow]

This last general officer in the tall Dress hat and fancy overcoat is cavalry leader Alfred Pleasonton.

[FC Barlow]

The post should read FOUR generals in camp, including Pleasonton!

[CJSchumacher]

Two things that are VERY cool...

First Photo:

He's wearing a field modified enlisted overcoat of the mounted pattern. He has added (more like, had someone else add...) two diagonal slash pockets at just above waist level and a horizontal breast slash pocket.
Double breasted sky blue:
http://www.3nj.org/overcoat1.jpg

Second Photo:

I agree that is Pleasonton and notice the riding crop hanging from his jacket on the right side. He must have it suspended from the toggle. Now that's a horseman!!

Dark blue French officers pattern:
http://www.3nj.org/overcoat2.jpg http://www.generalsandbrevets.com/ngp/pleasonton1b.jpg

[Dignann]

Nice call, Todd. I agree that must be Pleasonton. His headquarters was very close to Meade's that winter. Also, he's standing too close to Meade for it to be Sheridan. Had it been Sheridan, Meade might have had him in a headlock :wink_smil

Eric

[dusty27]

http://www.nps.gov/frsp/images/sheridan.jpg


http://www.3nj.org/overcoat2.jpg


http://www.swcivilwar.com/Photos/Pleasanton.jpg

I'm going with Pleasonton here.

[FC Barlow]

This figure in the dress hat and riding crop is cavalry leader Alfred Pleasonton, not Sheridan.

Compare the photos of Pleasonton - go here - http://www.generalsandbrevets.com/ngp/pleasonton3.htm

Also the figure with the sling looks like 1LT Alexander CM Pennington, of the horse artillery. Makes sense for him and Pleasonton to be at this location. Pennington was promoted to Captain on March 30, 1864, so this photo had to have been taken in late 1863 or early 1864.

[FC Barlow]

You can always spot Pennington by his huge nose.

Check out his pics at - http://www.geocities.com/rdenm76900/PenningtonAlex.html

[CJSchumacher]

You can always spot Pennington by his huge nose.

Check out his pics at - http://www.geocities.com/rdenm76900/PenningtonAlex.html

Todd,

Not to dispute, but I have to think that might not be Pennington. I just think that as an artillery officer, he would most likely not be sporting a cavalry saber. He would more likely have one in an artillery pattern.

http://www.3nj.org/tourniquet.jpg

I don't know...it really does look like him in this photo, though...

http://www.geocities.com/rdenm76900/Col.A.C.M.Pennington.jpg

Chris

[FC Barlow]

Chris:

Look at this confirmed photo of Pennington in 1862 on the Peninsula, also a member of the horse artillery (2nd US Artillery, I think). He is carrying the same cavalry sabre.

http://www.civilwarartillery.com/cwimages/Tidball_bw.jpg
(I can't figure out how to post photos, sorry!)

Same big ears, same big nose too.

[FC Barlow]

Oh, Pennington is on the far right in that photo. Can anyone find a better quality version?

Pennington was a West Point graduate, general officer in the Spanish American War and died in 1917. Buried at West Point.

[CJSchumacher]

Chris:

Look at this confirmed photo of Pennington in 1862 on the Peninsula, also a member of the horse artillery (2nd US Artillery, I think). He is carrying the same cavalry sabre.

http://www.civilwarartillery.com/cwimages/Tidball_bw.jpg
(I can't figure out how to post photos, sorry!)

Same big ears, same big nose too.

Well, there you go...I guess some of those horse artillery officers liked to sport the same gear as their equine counterpart, the cavalry.

There have been stranger things...like a Federal wearing a VA two-piece buckle!!

OMG! :wink_smil

Chris

[FC Barlow]

I may be on a roll today - the tall officer standing next to the right of the guy who we think is Pennington, looks like James Biddle, Meade's aide.

Check out photo of Meade and his aides taken in October 1863 at the Wallach House near Brandy Station. Biddle stands third from right with the sash across his chest (same stiff post). Theodore Lyman talks about Biddle a lot in his war diary.

Ok, I'm done.

[FC Barlow]

The link of Biddle:

http://www.civil-war.net/cw_images/files/images/341.jpg

[Bushrod Carter]

Great close-ups!

A few opservations to above close-ups:

First dude in overcoat, at top: is he wearing tight fitting leather gloves?

Middle dude in French officer's overcoat: does he have a riding crop around his neck and hanging down his right side?

Bottom dude in tourniquet: the fellow to the left of the image, wearing a medal - is he a "war hero"? Can anyone ID the medal?

[kanesrifles]

The Officer standing to the left of Sedgwick is General Alfred Torbert, he was a Brigade/Division Commander in the 6th Corps. The photograph I am attaching to this message, shows Torbert wearing the same hat as he is wearing in the photograph in question.
http://www.generalsandbrevets.com/ngt/torbert2.jpg

Hope this helps.
Cpl. Augie Marchetti
Phila.

It looks like Sedgwick is standing right next to Tyler:

http://www.3nj.org/sedgty.jpg

Here's a studio image of Tyler:
http://www.3nj.org/tyler.jpg

It looks like the 18 button front jackets were popular on the staff (what a pain in the ... )!
http://www.3nj.org/millionbuttons.jpg

[FC Barlow]

Augie:

This post is a little late, but great call. The man next to Meade is indeed Alfred Torbert and not Robert O. Tyler! Nice job!

Todd

[FC Barlow]

I meant next to Sedgwick and not Meade. Sorry.

[1stMaine]

Comrades,

A couple of my own points here. The "French Overcoat" is actually a US pattern overcoat for officers, with the cape detached (it normally was made with a detachable cape). By regulation, it would have had a circle of cloth with an embroidered edge and the wearer's rank in the center sewn onto each collar. Actual images of this are rare, but some do exist. Most images are shown sans the insignia, as Pleasanton is wearing it.
Secondly, the young officer with the 18 button jacket on the right seems to have it tucked into his trousers. I've seen this same thing done in other images, from both eastern and western theaters, and by both officer and enlisted, so it must be something that was done, although not so often as might be thought of.
respects,