Confederate Auction

[rick35ovi]

I have nothing to do with this auction but i thought you guys might like to see some of the great original items coming up for sale. mod's please move or delete if neccesary. http://www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=9EHKQUOXY9 Anyone see anything in there not seen before?

[rogue]

From the photos, I do not like the look of ANY of the flags that begin the listing. They have the appearance of eBay fakes, but I could be mistaken.
Something dis-quieting about the caps and jackets as well.
S.Sullivan

[rick35ovi]

I did notice that there was a lot of reproduction belt plates on there.

[garyjd]

The "look" of the flags, jackets, and caps struck me as odd also. The estimates appear to be really low for what is being billed as original Confederate items. ~Gary

[Secesh]

I have to agree with all you gents...the condition of these items vs price is just too suspect....

[Andrew Kasmar]

Hi,

If those caps are original, they are the strangest that I have ever seen. This one really gets me http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/confederate-kepi.-the-body-consists-of-a-white-ban-22-c-02b038a826


Andrew

[JimConley]

The prices on some of those items should be your first indication that it's fake stuff. If those items were actually originals, some of them identified, they would be asking MUCH more than what they are.

Man, I thought the reproductions reenactors wear were bad, but those shell jackets (if you can call them that) are complete f@$&ing garbage!

Wow.

[Secesh]

They are auctioning a green visor-less forage cap, supposedly worn by Big Yankee Ames when he was killed...Ames was a deserter from a New York regiment, who signed on with Mosby's 43rd Partisan Rangers, and was instrumental in guiding Mosby's men during the capture of Gen. Stoughton. I do not recall his being killed during the War, but I may be wrong. However, I doubt he would have worn his Federal cap during his service with Mosby...

[GreencoatCross]

I'm sorry, but this all looks like stuff from the centennial or something of that nature. Maybe from the 1970's.

That "Confederate green kepie without visor" looks an awful lot like a vintage 1970's Berdan's Sharpshooters forage cap. Look at the buttons...they appear to be rubber eagles but I seriously doubt it. They're probably brass buttons that have been spray painted or coated with that Dip-A-Grip liquid rubber.

A lot of the other stuff I've seen before, especially the jackets. I want to say there was a huge auction in Vermont or New Hampshire a few years ago, mostly firearms, but some of this stuff was featured.

Ugh.

[Gallinipper]

Looks like somebody stumbled onto a big box in their attic containing Centennial gear.... and imagination took it from there. Not too much "battle" in those battleflags.... And 1872 pattern kepis in 1862? I knew the CSA was ahead of it's time!

Rich Croxton

[Ken]

They are auctioning a green visor-less forage cap, supposedly worn by Big Yankee Ames when he was killed...Ames was a deserter from a New York regiment, who signed on with Mosby's 43rd Partisan Rangers, and was instrumental in guiding Mosby's men during the capture of Gen. Stoughton. I do not recall his being killed during the War, but I may be wrong. However, I doubt he would have worn his Federal cap during his service with Mosby...


I do believe that Big Yankee Ames was killed, based on the book Mosby's Rangers, during the War in one of the many fights Mosby's men had.

[Secesh]

Thanks Ken. I couldn't recall if he had been or not.

[Mtn.Guerilla]

He's also posting an "original" Hardee pattern flag,"belonging" to the 33rd. AL. , with a starting bid of $400 ! Now that's a screaming red flag, if ever there was one ! Hopefully someone will call him out on some of these items.

[rick35ovi]

This just goes to show everyone that if they don't know what they are looking for they can get burned! Hopefully i haven't offended anyone by posting this, I was really interested to see what everyone thought of the stuff as i had my doubts about the authenticity of some of the items in this auction too.

[mboyce]

Has anyone ever seen a screw top canteen such as this one?
http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/civil-war-used-confederate-canteen-86-c-5f2e250fb6

[GarrettG1993]

This is fishier than a Jap sushi bar.


Garrett Glover

[Moonshine]

From the looks of these items, I'd say they're movie or stage props either embellished during the centennial or around that time.

Way back when Southern California was a COOL place to live there were such things as gun/militaria shows. Well, one year I went to the Los Angeles Great Western Gun Show and there were 2 guys there selling movie props, some of which WAS indeed original. The other stuff they had WASN'T.

BTW, I think the Hardee hat I got from them was original, but I didn't tell them that.

[LWhite64]

The flags are fakes, the other items raise all sorts of red flags, but I can say without a doubt that the flags are, every flag of the 33rd ALA can be accounted for or there is a description of, and that doesnt meet any of them.

Lee

[VMI Confederate 07]

Gentlemen,

The story I heard on this auction was that it was from a well-known collector in Northern Virginia who had decided to dump his collection containing both original and reunion items. I first checked out the page two days ago and noticed the plethora of what seemed to be the leavings of the Battle of New Market, ca. 1973.

The good friend of mine who had informed me of the auction wants to ride up to see what is going. I may tag along for the ride to entertain myself and point out the crap on the table.

[DougCooper]

Funny how Quinns does not provide any photos of the all the dedications, initials and other ID markings on this stuff. :rolleyes:

But that also begs a question, did leading lights like Mosby engrave items post war to make them more valuable, or simply as a keepsake for friends?

[Jimmayo]

http://www.news-antique.com/?id=786646

[Gallinipper]

.... said Matthew Quinn. “It is difficult for us to predict where the hammer will fall on some of them.”

An interesting choice of words. No doubt the 1772 Swiss walnut marriage chest is authentic; bad repros of those are so easily spotted!

Rich Croxton

[Bob McDonald]

“It is difficult for us to predict where the hammer will fall on some of them.”

Hopefully, with great gusto, atop the consigner's head!

Having once had the pleasure of collecting 8 CS EM shell jackets, as well as trousers and head gear, I've not seen such a gross array of dung in many, many years. (Even the loose buttons are bad!)

Inimica emptor!


Cheers,

Bob McDonald