New Patten's Reprint

[Iron Scout]

Gents,

Just wanted to guage the interest regarding a new reprint of Patten's Cavalry Drill. We have turned over a much sought after 1862 Richmond copy and are thinking of a small run of said articles. I know N. Nichols had done a prining some time back but is anyone currently offering these? The original is a very nice article with blue paper cover including advertisements on the inside front and back covers. Thanks for the feedback

Neill Rose
PLHA
Love & Wienges

[Coley Adair]

Neil,
I am very interested, let me know if I can Help $$$ in $$$ any $$$ way

[MountedRifle]

Same, here. Let me know if I can help.

Mark White
16th MO Mounted Infantry

[CJSchumacher]

Neill,

Just like when Nick did his years ago...I'm sure these will sell with no problem! Its a great "reader's digest" version of Poinsett's. Everyone should add it to their collection if they haven't already done so.

Actually, that first printing didn't have those cool adds. Gotta do it.

[Coley Adair]

FYI
From Confederate Imprints, by, Parrish and Willingham.

Patten, George Washington. Cavalry drill and sabre exercise,; compiled agreeably to the latest regulations of the War Department, from standard military authority. By George Washington Patten. Richmond: West And Johnson, 145 Main Street, 1862, 165 p. Diagrs. 17 cm The cover-title is abbreviated. P. 4 printed upside down

13 or so copies located at various archives and ect.
Patten was also a poet
PS, whats the chance of reprinting a federal copy if one could be found?

[Iron Scout]

Thanks Guys,

I didn't mean to attach that particular pic so I'll try to post a few more soon; the rear cover's advertsements will really blow your mind. They were a lot larger than I expected. Joe Long, the Relic Room Historian, is a registered member on the AC now so I hope he's reading this too! The manual is a real gem and complete which makes it pretty unique. Thanks for the offers and we'll keep you posted.

Neill Rose
PLHA
Love & Wienges

[CJSchumacher]

FYI

PS, whats the chance of reprinting a federal copy if one could be found?

Coley,

Not sure about a Federal version of Patten's Cavalry Drill (Poinsett's abridged)...as I don't know of anyone with a copy published other than Nick.

On a related note, my father has an original 1864 Patten's Cooke's Cavalry Tactics, which he adjusted and added 60 illustrations to help make easier to understand. Patten's Cavalry Tactics (the Poinsetts version, like Nick reproduced) is actually advertised much like the inside cover that Neill Displays within this volume.

This Patten guy was a genious...made a business of of making things simpler and easier to understand for the masses. Think about it...his cavalry tactics condensed three volumes of Poinsetts into a pocket guide. His re-print of Cooke's, while adding length to the original due to additional explanations and illustrations, is easier to understand because of it.

Neill,

This Richmond version would be a valuable resource.

[Tom Craig]

You can count me in as interested in a copy of Patten's!

Chris,
I could be off my rocker, but I had a copy of Patten's that was lost several years ago. I am almost certain that that version was reproduced as having come from Lippincott in Philadelphia. I know that the repro I had was not southern in its original printing.

Take care,
Tom Craig

[CJSchumacher]

You can count me in as interested in a copy of Patten's!

Chris,
I could be off my rocker, but I had a copy of Patten's that was lost several years ago. I am almost certain that that version was reproduced as having come from Lippincott in Philadelphia. I know that the repro I had was not southern in its original printing.

Take care,
Tom Craig

Tom,

You're not off your rocker...just rocking too much! You're right...it was a northern re-print of Patten's. Neill's would be a Richmond printing, which is the differing point from the one we all bought years ago. This guy didn't limit himself to just one army.

[RelicRoomGuy]

A great little book, and I can't talk it up any better or summarize it more effectively than Neil did! I believe it's exhibiting pure truth in advertising when it calls itself, in the preface, "a suitable pocket companion for the cavalry soldier."

"Easily to be understood by the tyro in military knowledge; enabling the intelligent private to fully understand the movements in which he take a part...", an essential addition to your library, not to mention a way to benefit the Relic Room. Of course now I just have to get on the ball so that you CAN get one; y'all will be the first to know as we make some progress -

[Palmetto Cavalier]

Neill;
Keep me in mind on the reprint if you can make it happen. Let me know if I can help in any way!
Great Job!
Terry

[neocelt]

Gents,

Patten's Cavalry Drill, and Sabre Exercise is merely a condensed version of Poinsett's Cavalry Tactics, up through the School of the Squadron (which is, most likely, all we'll ever need as reenactors...). Like many other officers, George Patten saw an opportunity to make a buck when the war broke out and had his knock-off manual printed up by J.W. Fortune of New York. During the late 1980s, I was among the few hardcore mounted cav types who were trying to get the cavalry community to adopt a two-rank drill system. The sticking point was the lack of availability of an inexpensive repro., hence, I undertook the project to rectify this problem. I surveyed many contemporary after-market manuals and settled on Patten's for several reasons: It was well illustrated (by Patten himself) and tremendously popular; indeed, after its initial publication in 1861, sales required new printings in 1862, '63 and '65. It was also published in a German-language edition (!) by Fortune and in 1862 appeared under the imprint of the Richmond publishing house of West & Johnston in 1862 (the substitution of the publisher's imprint is the only difference between the two). The printing history, along with a biographical sketch of the compiler, is included in my reprint. And by the way, my facsimile is an EXACT duplicate of the original and does indeed include all of the advertisements (six pages at the end of the text and one more on the back cover)--[ added note: Actually, I can't recall whether there were ads on the INSIDE covers of the original, but if there were, I didn't copy those--that would be the ONLY difference I'm aware of... ] Additionally, as Patten neglected to include some of the relevant sections of Poinsett's dealing with basic dismounted drill movements, the manual of arms with the carbine, and fighting on foot, I published a "Supplement" to Patten's that includes 47 pages of material excerpted directly from Poinsett's. My facsimile printing of Patten's went into a second printing in 1996 and I still have plenty of copies on hand. The original retail price was $14.95 for the manual and $4.95 for the Supplement (plus shipping), but I'll sell the manual to my AC pards for $12 or $15 for the set, postpaid. Think of it as an unadvertised "Bully Buy"! Please email me directly for particulars at neocelt@earthlink.net.

Cheers,

[T.Kern]

While I think having many examples, especially a Richmond printing, is good, I think it's more inexpensive to buy the one already available. They are the same, and with the supplement you can't beat it for all the instruction a trooper needs. I also feel we should support the people who did the research years ago that led us down this road, even if they lack people skills like me!!!!
If Neil does print these I will still get one, one can never have too much instruction.

Todd Kern

[J.H.Berger]

Nick, do you have the German version????

[markj]

Nick, do you have the German version????

Lieber Jan,

Translations of Patten's works "auf Deutsch" were advertised in Harper's Illustrated Weekly, but I've never seen an existing copy although someone else may have encountered one:

Harper's Illustrated Weekly, 23 November 1861, p. 0751d-0751d

PATTEN'S
APPROVED

MILITARY WORKS,
PUBLISHED IN THE
English and German Languages.
Price Twenty-five Cents each.

CAVALRY DRILL,
Containing the
Schools of the Trooper, Platoon, and Squadron,
160 Pages and 93 Engravings.

ARTILLERY DRILL,
Containing the
Manual of the Piece and Light Battery Ma-
neouvres.
160 Pages and 72 Engravings.

INFANTRY TACTICS,
PART I.,

Containing the School of the Soldier, Manual of Arms for
both Musket and Rifle, School of the Company, Instruc-
tion for Skirmishers, Bayonet Drill and the Small Sword
Exercise.

160 Pages and 92 Engravings.


INFANTRY TACTICS,
PART II.,
Containing Instruction in the School of the Battalion.
160 Pages and 45 Engravings.

Parts 1 and 2 Infantry Tactics can be had bound in
one Volume. Price Fifty Cents.

ARMY MANUAL,

Containing Instruction for Officers in the preparation of

ROLLS, RETURNS, AND REPORTS,

And papers pertaining to the Subsistence and Quarter-
master's Departments. Price Two Dollars.

This work contains many forms in constant use that are
not introduced in the published Army Regulations. It
also contains instructions how and when the several du-
ties are to be performed, none of which are contained in
any other work. It also recommends itself to the Soldier
on account of its condensed form and portability. It is
bound in flexible morocco, and can be carried without in-
convenience about the person, and will be sent free by mail
on receipt of the price, Two Dollars, by the Publisher,

J. W. FORTUNE,
Chatham Street, New York.

Wholesale Dealers, the Trade, and Sutlers supplied by
H. DEXTER & CO., 113 Nassau St., N. Y.
ROSS & TOUSEY,121 Nassau St., N. Y.
A. WILLIAMS & CO., Newsdealers,
Washington St., Boston, Mass.
HENRY TAYLOR,Baltimore, Md.
T. R. CALLENDER,Philadelphia, Pa.
MOSES E. WILSON,
251 Pennsylvania Av., Washington, D. C.
J. R. WALSH, Chicago, III.
GRAY & CRAWFORD,St. Louis, Mo.

Bis bald,

Mark Jaeger

[neocelt]

Viele Grüsse, Jan!

Nein. Taurig.

Perhaps this would be a good research & development project for you, mein junger Freund?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,


PS: A printing of Patten's Cavalry Drill also appeared in 1864--don't know how I missed that one. And to Todd: "...lack people skills," why, whatever do you mean?

[markj]

I did some searching and here's the good news: I did find a copy of Patten's Cavalry Tactics "auf Deutsch":

Title: Patten's Cavallerie Taktik und das Säbel-Exerzitium nach den neuesten Verordnungen des Kriegsministeriums zusammengestellt,
nach den besten militärischen Quellen,
Author(s): Patten, George Washington, 1808-1882.
Publication: New-York, J.W. Fortune,
Year: 1861
Description: 160 p. illus. 17 cm.

As I said, that's the good news. The bad news is that this copy is held in the New York Public Library Reserve Collection. You'd have an easier time sneaking into Fort Knox than obtaining this title via interlibrary loan from the NYPL.

Regards,

Mark Jaeger