confederate patterns

[A7X]

Does anyone know of a pattern for a confederate sack coat, i have seen them on many photos of confederate dead, esp late war. Any idea on the materials? Let me know


~Jonathan Kroppmann

[Clark Badgett]

Check with Charlie childs. He makes them, whether or not he has the pattern is something you could ask him. http://www.crchilds.com/

[Michael McComas]

Check with Charlie childs. He makes them, whether or not he has the pattern is something you could ask him. http://www.crchilds.com/

This questions was asked a few days ago, and County Cloth does not sell a pattern for Confederate or civilian sack coats. See http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3204&postcount=4 for details.

[Niels_Kaas]

This questions was asked a few days ago, and County Cloth does not sell a pattern for Confederate or civilian sack coats. See http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3204&postcount=4 for details.

...but Childs does sell a pattern for a CS four-button jacket (like the Brooke jacket in EOG), a garment which some have frequently termed a Confederate sack coat (I know, I know, the consensus is that the 4-button jacket is not a sack coat).

Go to: http://www.crchilds.com/id15.htm

Paul Lockhart

[Clark Badgett]

Ah but the Brook sack sure looks like a sack. Childs says the jacket he offers is virtually identical to it as well as other like garments from several other collections. Except that the Brooks JACKET has sleeves just as long as the body, which while that may or may not be indicative of a Sack coat, could go a ways towards ruling out the jacket description, as jackets are normally waist length. On a similar vein, I do know of at leat one of the so call Columbus jackets that has a body the same length of the sleeves. Six in one hand...... ;)

[Michael McComas]

If you look at the Brooke jacket on p. 16 of A Catalogue of Uniforms In The Collection Of The Museum Of The Confederacy, the jacket is shown on a manequin, rather than laying flat as it is in EoG. There, you can see that the body is quite close fitting, not as loose as a Federal fatigue blouse. It does look like a sack coat in EoG because of the proportion of sleeve length to body length. This style of jacket does have a longer front than the Richmond Depot style. However, after looking at the other proportions and comparing them, I'd bet a cold pint of Guinness that Brooke had the sleeves shortened after he was issued the jacket. I have requested more information from the Museum of the Confederacy, so perhaps I'll be eating my words when the mail arrives, but I think Brooke just had short arms.

[SCSecesh]

Michael & Clark,
One of the other JACKETS that I beleive Mr. Childs speaks of is located in the Ross County Historical Society collection. It has 4 buttons but would most likely be considered a JACKET not a sack due to the fit as was apparent on my viewing. John Stillwagon wrote a good article on this a while back that was on the SG website. This argument - jacket-sack will likely never be proven to everyone's satisfaction!!

[markj]

Hi,

Hmmm. Maybe, for lack of a better term, we could use "Jack-sack" for the above item.

Regards,

Mark Jaeger

[James Masson]

Hi,

Hmmm. Maybe, for lack of a better term, we could use "Jack-sack" for the above item.

Regards,

Mark Jaeger

Or how about "Jacket". It is NOT sack coat. EoG identified it wrong. I saw one of the four (or was it five) existing originals in the MoC last summer, it was on a manequin and you could clearly see that it was not a sack coat. It wears like a jacket, just a little longer than the standard shell jacket.

James

[FederalDrummerBoy]

The jacket does belong to the Ross County Historical Society. Charlie Childs came to study and photograph it to make the reproduction.
The RCHS also has many more artifacts on loan and in its collection, including a Federal sack, two Federal frocks that have been field altered, a Federal forage cap, a Federal dress hat, a Federal great coat, a Federal double bag knapsack, General Sheridan's frock, Genral Sills frock, and many other artifacts.

Alex Kuhn

[RyanBWeddle]

Childs does sell the pattern for the 4-Button jacket, for more info on the existing jackets of this type please reference:

http://www.southernguard.org/education/brooke.html

Jonathan Kroppmann:

Otherwise, having Childs make you a sack/frockcoat or a 4 button jacket is your best bet.

I'd be interested to see these "late war confederate dead" photos you reference... Where are they? Are they published anywhere? Are they online?

Please post that info here to help people get a better idea of what you're looking for.....

[SCSecesh]

Couple clarifications here - The Ross County Jacket has only two buttons but it has four buttonholes so we can safely assume there were four at one time! I have recently found my drawing with the measurements from the RCHS jacket that Tom graciously allowed me to measure and photograph that shows some very specific details that lend itself more to a "jacket" description than a sack - piece sizes/shapes especially!
We went so far as having some cloth hand woven that is a close proximation of the RCHS jacket but volume makes it cost prohibitive and it really is terribly shoddy!! The next post would be something about that "dang jacket falling apart!"
(Alex, is Tom your dad? If so give him my regards and tell him the project is still around but on hold!)