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  • Coda: Improving this end of the hobby (Authentics)

    Last week, there was a lot of discussion about the cover photo, some of it quite heated. Here is a portion of a post I made on the topic:


    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyHallVols View Post
    "If I look back at the leadership in the hobby in, say 2000-2004, a lot of them are gone, or waaaay less active. I won't name names, but they were folks who, yes, attended a lot of events, but also placed the value of research at a premium. Given what I have seen at some events recently, the absence of these folks is telling... in first person, high-proficiency in company drill, and basic knowledge of battalion drill. We place a lot of value on the material culture stuff (except muskets, of course) and fieldcraft. Well, we have the material culture stuff down, for the most part. Events put a lot of stress on fieldcraft, in a lot of cases.

    What's the excuse for first person dying 30 minutes after step-off?
    What's the excuse for not knowing how to properly perform the manual of arms or school of the company?

    This end of the hobby has a lot of room to improve. However, few people acknowledge that."

    I wondered if I was the only one seeing these things, or if I was simply the only one declaring them publicly. When it comes "this end" of the hobby, discussions on improvement center around either getting guys to show up at events or recruiting. As a result of this, I started a thread asking people what they felt that the must urgent or important improvement areas were for the P/C/H/A end of the hobby.

    Some of the replies were what I expected to see:
    The customary "if only we could get guys to support our events", mixed with the "can't we all just get along" posts wanting the P/C/H/A end of the hobby to fold itself back in to the mainstream, like C.A.R.T. dissolving and its teams going to the Indy Racing League (sorry, I'm a Hoosier... you'll have to deal with Indy 500 analogies).

    However, most of the posts seem to echo my own observations, as well as some new ones that also seem to ring-true. What follows is my attempt to reflect back what I read in that thread. I am curious if the following is an accurate description of the issues, problems, and areas for improvement on this end of the hobby.

    Organization:
    We are currently comprised of messes and freelancers, scabs and sub-groups of sub-groups. Organization is almost totally lacking outside of the ad-hoc companies and battalions formed at each event. This end of the hobby was formed this way and this is how we have remained for the last 10 to 15 years. While its nice to be tied to no one, we are also required to be loyal to no one. You can see the negative effects of this weaving its way through most of what follows.
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    Skills:
    If there is one are where we can truly experience the life of a Civil War soldier, it is drill. However, drill gets short shrift on our end of the hobby. Little if any time at our events is set aside to practice this skill and very little is dedicated to it in terms of bandwidth or column inches (for those who still like print media). Folks, the mainstream of the hobby puts us to shame at drill. As they have done for 40+ years, weekends (that's plural) are set aside each year solely for drill at both the company and battalion level.

    Officers and NCOs on our end of the hobby are also determined on an event-by-event basis. An experienced officer on our end of the hobby might lead a company twice each year. Sergeants are usually identified early in the event planning, but are frequently named on Friday evening. The end result of this is that individuals have little chance to gain real depth of experience in these positions. Rather than remembering our mistakes at the next event and correcting them, the experience goes cold for months or years. Working releationships between battalion commanders and company captains cannot form because there is little chance for the same colonel to work with the same set of captains. The same could be said for the working relationships between a captain and his sergeants. When an orderly and a captain get to know each other well, they can anticipate each others' needs and compensate for each others' weaknesses. Don't you think this happened during the war?
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    Not walking the talk - Are we more hype than substance?
    Many of the posts called out this concern either directly or indirectly. Folks talked about first person dying on the vine at events advertised as "immersion", in favor of modern chats catching up with friends, talking about gear, etc. The place for "gear-chat" is on-line, on the phone, or in the parking lot, but not after an event goes-live.

    One of Charles Heath's mantras was "Get Beyond the Gear". To me, that means (1) not focussing too much on one element of one's impression - the "materials" to the detriment of the "man" and the "methods", and (2) when we're at an "authentic" event, we all have "authentic" clothing... so, why talk about it? DO the bloody event!

    Don't get me wrong on this. I LOVE to chat about the weapons and gear more than most! I've spent entire events chatting up this stuff with pards... I am guilty as charged on this. The hobby functions because each of us gets geeked-out by different nuances and minutia of soldier or civilian life of the period. We bring the knowledge we gain to the hobby for the benefit of all. For me, by way of an example, I've benefitted greatly from Jeff Clagg's knowledge of 19th Century agriculture and food preservation. I would probably never have sought out that information on my own, but learning from Jeff is always fascinating and fun.

    However, when we as a group collectively turn our attention to only one "leg" of the three that comprise our impressions, we move away from the ideal to which we all strive. Those with a passion for field craft (for example) need to share their knowledge. The same holds true for all of us, no matter where our interests lie, be they drill, campaign histories, civilian life, or whatever.
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    Those with less experience need to listen!
    Whenever I finish any project, there is a moment when I take a step back and view my work. The bigger the job, the more pride I feel in my accomplishments. The same holds true for every reenactor once they finally get their uniform and kit together and attain some level of proficiency at drill, camping, etc. I think this is probably doubly-true for reenactors who cross over to the P/C/H/A end of the hobby.

    Is it "wrong" or "bad" to feel proud? Heck no! Gathering together a top-line kit is not just a heavy financial investment, but it also requires a good deal of patience, persistence, and (if you're doing it right) research. There aren't too many vendors left out there to allow you to pick up your credit card and be fully kitted-out within a few phone calls and/or internet transactions and a week waiting for stuff to ship. For those that have "crossed over" from the mainstream, you have to eat a little humble pie and admit that you've been doing some things wrong, and that can really be hard for some people.

    The problem is that sometimes folks feel that they have "arrived" simply by crossing over. The truth is that your "arrival" is not the end of your journey, but merely the end of the beginning (all apologies to Winston Churchill). I think it is good to pause and congratulate yourself on reaching that "end of the beginning", but then you have to keep going. If you rest on your laurels and allow your accomplishments to be marked only by some cool ambrotypes, the next cool piece of kit, or having your name on the registration lists of the "best" events, then you're achievements become an empty shell.

    So, please keep an open mind, open ears, and ask lots of questions. ...the greater the expertise of the person you're talking with, try to ask open ended questions to get them talking. If that doesn't work, ask something specific, then keep probing. In my experience, experts love to talk about their areas of expertise and teach others. The conversation will be fun for both of you. None of us know everything, so we all need to keep learning and listening to experts. But, for the newly-converted, this is an imperative!
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    A little humility please...
    A lot of this speaks to attitude, which was another recurring theme in that thread. That pride that we feel can easily be misinterpretted as arrogance or elitism. If we're not careful, those interpretations can be correct. I think we need to tread carefully when it comes to the mainstream of the hobby. The mainstream of the hobby is not comprised of bafoons and yokels happy to dwell in ignorance. Yep, those stereotypes are just as real as the hardcore elitist a-hole, but painting all mainstreamers with that broad brush is disrepectful and unfair. There is a wealth of knowledge among the mainstream, and I think a lot of us would be surprised about the depth of knowledge these folks have. We are all finding fun, fulfillment, and friendship in our own way. Reenacting is not a competitive sport. If it was, we'd all be losers. The only accomplishments worth noting are those of the veterans of the war and those guys are all dead. Anything we achieve in the hobby is laughable when compared with their struggles, suffering, and accomplishments. We can grow who we are and what we do without tearing others down or treating the mainstream (or anyone, for that matter) disrespectfully.
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    Tolerance for each other on this end:
    The internet is great, because it allows folks from all over the world to seek out others that share their interest and points of view. The internet is terrible because it is an imperfect medium for communication and can cause misunderstanding, and also because it can allow us to filter out anyone that doesn't share our points of view.

    Another theme here is regional. The hobby is different when you cross the Appalachians. It is also different when you cross the Mississippi. Among other difference, the concept of "For Us By Us" changes as you cross those boundries.

    Given the history of how we all formed in the first place (breaking off from the larger "mainstream" of the hobby):
    If we cannot come to some agreements on minimum standards and expectations, and if we cannot break the cycle of schisms due to personal conflict, are we in danger of sub-dividing ourselves out of existence?

    I don't want this article to come across as though we are falling apart. However, much like a rocket ready to drop its first stage, I think now is a good time for us (as a group) to take a hard inward look and figure out what it will take for use to keep rising. If a rocket doesn't drop the first stage, it will fall back to earth. We've come along way since the 1990's, but its starting to look like the rate of ascent is slowing way down.
    Comments 23 Comments
    1. Beckwith's Avatar
      Beckwith -
      I go along with an easy does it approach. I find that if I purchase an authentic item, I have others simply asking about it rather than "showing it off." People don't like to be pressured into buying new items to improve their impression, but it is amazing what happens when others feel a need to "keep up with the Joneses." I don't apply this to my everyday life, but if this leads to a more accurate impression for ourselves and the public, I see no harm in it. Our newsletter has had a series of articles in it that suggest low cost ways of improving your impression. This has been met with a great deal of success, and more of the boys are reading books to aid in their understanding of the common soldier, and some are even beginning to work out in order to appear more like the old boys back in the day. All in all, it is true that you get more bees with honey than vinegar. We want to build the hobby, not alienate those already involved. Beckwith, Clifton Heights, PA.
    1. musketbal's Avatar
      musketbal -
      Very good post from LibertyHallVols. I agree with 99.9% of what he wrote. Some times hearing the truth is hard to hear, but needs to be said.

      Respectfully,
      Brent Conner
    1. Matt Woodburn's Avatar
      Matt Woodburn -
      Spot on Wick.
    1. AndrewGrim's Avatar
      AndrewGrim -
      Well said, I agree with most of it.
    1. LibertyHallVols's Avatar
      LibertyHallVols -
      I guess folks had to rumenate on this one a while. I appreciate the feedback.

      Agree or not, I'll just be happy if it has folks taking stock of the hobby.
    1. huntdaw's Avatar
      huntdaw -
      Despite my posts on Szabo's forum, I am not in disagreement with your points, especially the drill and tolerance. Both would go a long way to help things out. But, how do you get folks to drill for example? One of my most pleasant events was 2 years ago at Stone's River when the WIG put on a LH there. The original idea was to have drill and drill competitions between companies and emulate some of the things that actually happned in the AOT. The weather was perfect, the weekend was wonderful and relaxed and there were about 20 of us that showed up. We drilled and I learned stuff so it was good. Too many others missed out on that opportunity because they don't want to drill I suppose.

      So, I think you're statements are basically correct, but it's the spreading of the message that is hard to do sometime. This is where the standing company idea of yours would make for a good base for those on this side of the hobby to gravitate to several times a year. And then, maybe it will be come two standing companies, or three...
    1. LibertyHallVols's Avatar
      LibertyHallVols -
      On an individual level, there are those who like drill, and some who REALLY enjoy it. However, as a group, I don't think we like to drill much... we probably share that with the mainstream of the hobby. As a private, drill doesn't hold the same lustre as other activities in the hobby. I wish it were not that way, but it is.

      Maybe we should try some false advertising, or pull a bait and switch. Advertise a big ole tactical or something, tell everyone that Springfield Armory decided to break up the "pipe organ" and everyone who attends will get a mint, unissued '61 Springfield... then, WAMMO!, its a drill weekend. (does anyone else hate the emoticons on the new software?) "Back in the old days", drill was a pre-requisite for participation in battle. But, I don't think that model works for our side of the hobby because there are quite a few of us older folks who'd be just as happy to go home with a clean musket.

      There are no easy answers to the participation conundrum. When I go to events, I want to be with my friends. For that to happen, my friends need to go, too. If they puss out, I can't rely on anyone else to try to motivate them. At some future event, the thought of a long drive, little sleep, and an endless accumulation of yardwork may disuade me from going... that's when I hope my friends are there to motivate me.
    1. jake.koch's Avatar
      jake.koch -
      I'm there for a new shiny Springfield!

      Seriously though I think everything you pointed out was spot on. I have personally been burned out on Civil War for the last six months or so. I've had to back out of the last two events I registered for due to real world stuff which probably helped the disapointment arise. I think participation is a big part of the deal, I may be a special case but I have lived in three states the last four years, am finishing grad school, getting married in December, and trying for a full time position at the same time which takes up alot of time and shoots up the stress level. I am also working on getting into WWI with some of my buddies which takes up some time as well. I think when the economy improves so will the job market, which will increase participation at events, but then again wasn't Bummers the largest authentic event ever put on and done so at the height of the recession? I may be ending up as a total keyboard campaigner for the most part this year, but I wanted to respond to your points.

      As far as organization goes, I don't know if I've ever been to a better run event then Perryville with the AOP in 06, or 07. That was my 2nd Authentic Event ever, which certainly added to it, however it included a bit of everything. There was a great deal of drill, rations, guard duty, a long march, and a somewhat realistic feel to the combat(as much as possible that we can have). I learned a ton at that event, watching as well as hands on. I will never forget how nervous I was when the officers all came over to test and challenge me and the others on duty when I was on guard in the middle of a very dark night. I screwed it up awful bad the first time I challenged them and tried to explain in first person as much as possible that it was one of my first times doing that sort of thing, they could have chewed me out or treated me like an idiot, instead they took the time to explain and teach me. Also when I first arrived at that event, I had a decent kit, but still was wearing a couple of items that I am horrified about now. Instead of people jumping on me about that, they complimented the good stuff, some that I had made myself, compliments that did more to excite me about this hobby then I could've imagined. I even got a compliment on my facial hair (I grew some huge chops I saw in an original image specifically for the event) from the adjutant, Mr. Runyon I believe, who for a newbie was seemingly one of the most visible people in the hobby at that time. Between the drill and the way everything was run by the AOP you truly felt as if you were a part of a real military organization. I would love to be a part of something like that again, I'm not saying its not out there (like I said, I have had to back out of a couple of events), but I don't think it is at that level.

      Skills are an excellent point as well. I think one of the biggest keys is having officers and NCOs that know their jobs. I've been reenacting since 2001 but last year was the first time I felt comfortable enough to be a corporal at an event. Fortunately the loose structure of Bummers helped me ease into that position a little better for the first time, but I never had an idea how much more involved you have to be as corporal of the guard rather then as a simple private on guard before that event. After that, I know I will never attempt to jump up to sergeant or heaven forbid an officer without studying my butt off first. I think by far the best officer/NCO combination I have ever been with were Doug Cooper and Will Eichler at High Tide. Doug was in command but kept his distance as an officer should, you really got that impression of the difference between officer and enlisted. Will Eichler did not portray a 1st Sergeant - he was the 1st Sergeant, and I think there is a huge difference. I know they are not the only leaders in the hobby, but those types of skills are the ones that need to be mimicked by all.

      As far as listening, I was fortunately warned before I got my account here about listening for awhile before making a comment. I think it might have been over a year before my first comment was made. There are so many people on here that are such a wealth of information, there was definately enough to read to keep me busy, yet I was apalled to see quite a few people at a similiar point as me that would ask what now seems a stupid question and get nailed with a "use the search button" who took that as a way of saying "you are not welcome here" and never came back to the site again. I think there has to be some give and take as far as that is concerned, somewhat of a balance. I know some people ask really annoying and seemingly stupid questions, yet imagine yourself in their shoes, or better yet, if you were in some other organization, say Rotary for example, and someone was that rude to you - would you ever go back? That may be more about the AC then the authentic side of the hobby in general, however you have to remember that to those in the mainstream community they are one in the same.

      With that in mind I personally think you hit the nail on the head with humility. There may be some major negatives within the mainstream but there are some positives as well. Some of those guys know history, drill, or company operations better then many people with us. Keep in mind as well that there are many people that would like to improve their impressions but just don't have the money, that is probably true now more then ever. One of the projects I am trying to work on for the 150th is to get a company together made up with some buddies and groups from home to go to the one of the big 150s every year. Most of the guys are fairly progressive as far as their kits, some have done EBUFUs or adjuncts, and some may be very mainstream. The plan is to have a group of five or six authentic guys within the company that will do everything first person, along with activities and details you would see at any authentic event. Those are going to be open to any of the guys in the company to try it out if they wish, and even if they don't partake, it will be something new visable to them. Alot of them are younger guys that have never been to one of our events, but very excited about the hobby. Who knows, maybe it will win some converts, more importantly I hope it can ease some of the tension between the Authentic/Progressive/Mainstream/Farb worlds. If people never know what we are doing, how can they try it? It probably won't be as "embracing the suck" style fun that we have at some events, but it will be neat to see big numbers, field with some guys I haven't seen in person for years, and hopefully return the favor to those that helped me get my feet wet in the authentic world by doing the same for some other guys. Now that is one small thing that may or may not work, it may not even get of the ground, but I think that there has to be some way to do something similiar, after all in the end, even if they are not as authentically clad as we are, many of them are in the hobby for the same reasons we all share. Could not all of us forgo one ebufu type event a year so that the entire hobby could mingle as one? I think you would see the authentic side grow fairly rapidly. I know many are happy with the way things are and wouldn't want to do something of that nature and that is fine, however if some our willing, why not take a similiar step and reach out your hand? What good is knowledge if you don't share it?

      Tolerance on this end is important too. It seems like every two weeks, or sometimes more there is a new crisis on here with some guys about to name a time and place with Seconds, ready to draw down on each other. How can we continue to do what we do that way? I know with every group of people you get differing opinions, but it doesn't need to go to blows to the point where threads get closed due to downright rude behavior. I know everybody has hot ticket items that really get them heated, mine is the myth of black confederates(don't want this thread to go there, just an example). I am at the point now where I won't even view those threads until they are closed because no matter how much documentation is shown or lack thereof pointed out people will not change their opinions. That was my example but the same can be said for anything from drill to pen nibs to banjos and artillery.

      I am sorry to ramble on so much, however as someone that has taken a couple steps away for a few months, I thought it might be pertinent.

      I think the issues you mentioned for improvement were right on. I have my faults like everyone else, and maybe everyone in this side of the hobby as a whole needs to take time and personally look at our own impressions and all around 19th Century Life and Military knowledge bases. I have said it before and I will say it agin, this is the time to do it with the 150s upon us. Thanks for bringing it up.
    1. OldKingCrow's Avatar
      OldKingCrow -
      and some are even beginning to work out in order to appear more like the old boys back in the day
      This part of the Campaigner Manifesto I can't satisfy and it is limiting (and kills me). No amount of working out, save for starvation will get me there. I have dropped some serious weight and i still look like a clown and very unauthentic when kitted out. I value the most elite level of this hobby to respect this.

      But that doesnt mean I and others haven't achieved in areas historical research, knowledge, field craft , MMM and the like. It is all relative to the lane one is in.



      CR
    1. PalmettoGuard's Avatar
      PalmettoGuard -
      One of the best posts I have read here in years. Well said and very true.
    1. Wild Rover's Avatar
      Wild Rover -
      yup.

      Pretty dead on....anyone with a credit card can get the gear, it takes a historian to use it correctly.

      That and to be honest, I agree 100% that the authentic side of the hobby has suffered from a lack of full time standing battalions and umbrella groups...chance to leaders to hone thier skill, and the espirit de corps that such groups create amoungst the rank and file.

      Everyone seems afraid of such, but a house divided....

      I for one hope the 150ths bring a rebirth to the authentic side of the hobby, and a dedication to belong to a "military" unit, like all Civil War Veterans did.

      Pards,

      S. Chris Anders
      Chesapeake Volunteer Guard
      Southern Division

      Had to edit to add signature, did not appear in first post
    1. LibertyHallVols's Avatar
      LibertyHallVols -
      For my pards in Company D, 2nd Mississippi...

      Let's walk the talk!!!

      Come to our Spring Drill and let's get ready for Manassas!

      (yeah, "Spring Drill" up there is a link)
    1. Campjacksonboy's Avatar
      Campjacksonboy -
      Quote Originally Posted by LibertyHallVols View Post
      For my pards in Company D, 2nd Mississippi...

      Let's walk the talk!!!

      Come to our Spring Drill and let's get ready for Manassas!

      (yeah, "Spring Drill" up there is a link)
      What has been discussed has been attempted before. It's hard to get people to work together on a permanent basis. Although the WIG has pulled it off, back in 2002 it was the AoTM and you can see how far that went. First person is great but the guys need a time to visit. I've been to events that were total immersion and first person was pretty good but I didn't get to visit with the people I wanted to see and I left having no idea who the people were that I fell in with.
      Drill there's a lot to be said about it. I think it was the one thing that would have made Piney Woods better especially with a battalion that had representation from 25 states and three countries. However, there simply wasn't time to do it.
      The spring drill is a good idea. With work and family commitments, I only hope I get the chance to be there when some of these things happen.
      Frank Aufmuth
    1. Hank Trent's Avatar
      Hank Trent -
      Quote Originally Posted by Campjacksonboy View Post
      First person is great but the guys need a time to visit. I've been to events that were total immersion and first person was pretty good but I didn't get to visit with the people I wanted to see and I left having no idea who the people were that I fell in with.
      Lots of different hobbies.

      I don't attend events to visit, I attend events to reenact. So visiting interrupts my reenacting, while others feel that reenacting interrupts the visiting that they came to do.

      I'm starting to realize that "this end of the hobby" is at least as diverse as the rest of it, so there's rarely a cohesive "us" even at events by and for "us." One just has to try to pick events with the best potential, try to find a few like-minded people, and hope for the best.

      Hank Trent
      hanktrent@gmail.com
    1. LibertyHallVols's Avatar
      LibertyHallVols -
      If I may, a word in defense of “visiting”:
      During the American Civil War, as is/was probably the case with all wars throughout history, unique chords of brotherhood bound pards together. There was no secret unknown between pards, or idiosyncrasy of personality or habbit that escaped a pard’s notice. Within a company, everyone knew everyone else. The men knew each other by sight, in many cases had known each other since childhood. The foibles of officers and enlisted men alike were the subject of both good-natured ribbing and chiding alike.

      “Back in the day”, reenacting units formed in local or regional areas. Our pards were friends in and out of the hobby. Many of my reenacting friends were at my wedding, for example. However, as the authentic-side of the hobby developed, much of the time spent with pards was limited to events or on-line exchanges. Rather than knowing our entire company by sight, we frequently have to quiz ourselves on who so-n-so is. Who is the captain, orderly, etc. “this weekend”.

      The predominant experience of the soldier was to associate with his pard or mess. Yes, within every company or platoon, there was a “lone wolf” or two… men who ate and slept on their own. But, in a company of such loners, no one will have an “authentic” experience at an event. This being the case, there needs to be a way for the men in a company to be associated and familiar with each other. Today’s social media play an important role, but there is still no substitute for face-time by the fire, on the march, over the cook pot, or heck(!) even in the parking lot!

      In closing, I will say this:
      The best times I have at events are when I am with pards who know me to my core. They know when I need a helping hand or a kick in the pants. They know how to raz me up to the line that might cut without crossing it. I share freely all that’s in my haversack, canteen, or tobacco pouch knowing that they will return the favor freely in return. We talk about “Plain/Everyday/Common” (aka “PEC”)… Well, in my opinion, if you haven’t experienced an event with a true friend, you’ve only sampled a narrow slice of the experience of the Civil War soldier… you’re the guy in jaguar skin trousers.
    1. Hank Trent's Avatar
      Hank Trent -
      I've portrayed the friend of people that I wouldn't associate with in modern life. I've also been modern friends with reenactors that I would never reenact with, due to their different reenacting style.

      Not making the hobby so personal opens up more opportunities to focus on the 1860s.

      The problem is when modern relationships take priority over actual reenacting, and it happens too often, in my opinion. A fellow that was captured away from me at Bummers complained he spent the last part of the event with other prisoners who wanted to talk about modern music and other modern socializing. They were modern friends, and because he was new to the hobby, he was the lone wolf who had to act farby too, or be ostracized.

      Wouldn't have happened in the 1860s. Then, he could have started to relate using period topics. The only way to spin that situation to be authentic, is to use the farbs' old excuse: "if they'da known about it, they'da formed friendships based on it."

      Why on earth would anyone waste time in the woods, with nothing modern in view, on Saturday of an event, farbing it up that way? It's far from a rare occurance, and the explanations I've always heard are because they're "friends," and that's what friends like to do.

      I lived through that era in civilian reenacting, and it was ugly. I never want to see the hobby go back to that.

      Around 2000ish, there was a rift in the civilian reenacting community between the "gossipers" and the "reenactors," for lack of a better term. Some civilians actually argued that too much first person or reenacting time was bad, because events were the only time they had to meet their friends face to face, and part of the actual purpose of events was to catch up on modern gossip.

      So events were typically planned with lots of time off "after hours" to accomodate that, and tightly-knit cliques formed. Outsiders had to learn two worlds to get into the clique and therefore into events: the modern relationships between the reenactors, and the period relationships being portrayed. All that extra effort of learning modern backgrounds--of people you might not actually like but who were the "doorkeepers" of the groups--achieved nothing concerning history or the people who lived 150~ years ago.

      Yes, cliques are authentic. But in the 19th century world, any friend was "authentic"--you had a wide choice. Reenacting above the mainstream level is such a small world, that a few cliques can hold sway over most of it, controlling who gets to have friends in the "pretend 1860s" and who gets ostracized, not based on anything that supposedly happened in the 1860s, but based entirely on modern relationships.

      And there's a darker side. The in-people who didn't want out-people to be part of the clique, could start modern cruel lies circulating--because gossiping about people's modern lives was fair game in those face-to-face get-togethers. And it's an authentic experience, because people did that back then too. Uh, yes, that's true, and should be portrayed, but I see no point in setting up the hobby to enable meanness in real life.

      So back a decade or so ago, those who wanted more reenacting time, like me, had to fight against the cliques. The members of the cliques saw it as a direct attack on what their hobby was--a chance to meet and greet their friends.

      Eventually, the 24-hour reenacting concept emerged, and along with it came the idea that anyone was welcome at events, since all they needed to do was fit in with the period community being portrayed, and it didn't matter who they knew in modern life, because there would be no need for long after-hours modern gossip sessions.

      So now, when that model of reenacting holds sway, a civilian reenactor can apply as an individual for an event, be assigned or choose a role, get to know their period "family" or "friends" through correspondence beforehand, and step in to 19th century life when the event begins, without needing to be a lone wolf.

      Any friendships they make apart from the 19th century world are a bonus, but are no longer required in order to reenact or to fit in to a 19th century community. The focus is on history and the people being portrayed, not who likes or hates or already knows who in the modern world. It's not ideal, and of course modern relationships still affect things, as they always will, but the goal is to focus far more on the 1860s than modern life.

      I'm not arguing for the "lone wolf" as typical. I'm arguing for 1860s relationships as typical. That's the direction I'd like the hobby to continue to move, not back to the days when you had to join a modern clique to avoid being a lone wolf in the 1860s.

      Hank Trent
      hanktrent@gmail.com
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      LibertyHallVols -
      Hank,

      I would agree with your statement here:
      “I'm arguing for 1860s relationships as typical. That's the direction I'd like the hobby to continue to move, not back to the days when you had to join a modern clique to avoid being a lone wolf in the 1860s.”
      I’m no stranger to modern-era meanness carried out at the event site and the short and long-term effects it can have.

      And, yes, I would agree that a lot of reenactors exhibit poor judgement and a lack of self-control when they allow strong off-event friendships to “contaminate” events with modern chit-chat. At one point “Farby Friday’s” were intended to provide chat-chat time without intruding on the event… but in reality, it lead to Saturday morning hangovers, hurting the event overall. But, I still think that good off-event friendships are good for events.

      We don’t need to keep our relationships with reenactors “just business”. I think the “contamination” of events comes from a combination of (in no particular order) unclear expectations and unenforced standards. We have to be willing to sacrifice numbers in order to maintain standards, even if the 100-man, company-on-company picket post becomes 5 on 3. In my opinion, an event organizer / host unit wouldn’t have to do that more than once… and having done so, I think the hobby would beat a path to their doorstep for future events.

      …and event hosts and organizers cannot effectively enforce standards if they are the only ones doing it. If people are dropping first person, each one of us has to have the sand to let the offenders know and correct them and, when necessary, forward complaints to the host/organizer.

      I guess the point of my post was to envision an ideal and suggest something that we could strive for, not to suggest that we move back toward some imaginary “good ole days”. Time and memory soften the sharp corners of past events so that the “ole days” seem “good”, even if they were, in reality, much worse. However, it should be recognized that a lot the problems we face today have been tackled in the past. The hobby hasn’t always functioned the way it does now and there may be some good old ideas we could draw upon. We need not throw out the baby with the bathwater. We don’t need to kill the patient to cure the disease. [insert your cliché here]

      Another perspective on the same point:
      Are we at the pinnacle of our development as living historians, or is there still room for us to improve? Obviously, I am arguing the latter. One of the issues I see that needs to be addressed is the acquisition, retention, and incorporation of recruits into “our” version of the hobby. Cliques are unpleasant (especially if you’re on the outside), we all get that… but they’re also counterproductive because, if you actually get someone new to attend an event, they’ll not come to the next one if they’re friendless the whole time.

      Thanks for your reply. I think an open, sincere dialogue is a good thing.
    1. Hank Trent's Avatar
      Hank Trent -
      Quote Originally Posted by LibertyHallVols View Post
      We don’t need to keep our relationships with reenactors “just business”. I think the “contamination” of events comes from a combination of (in no particular order) unclear expectations and unenforced standards.
      I agree, and rather than seeing it as "just business," I see reenacting as the heart of the friendship. In other words, if people have enjoying reenacting in common, as the main thing that binds them despite maybe other differences, then it makes no sense to go to an event with those friends and not want to reenact. The whole purpose of being together, is to reenact, and time wasted doing other things is time wasted.

      My grandmother was the same way. She played bridge, but she got annoyed and changed bridge clubs when the people would focus so much on socializing that they'd forget whose turn it was. That was what they enjoyed, but she was there to play bridge, and to share the love of playing bridge with others who loved it equally, not to spend an afternoon with people who would rather ignore bridge to do other things. I see this end, or some end of the hobby anyway, as the same way.

      ....because, if you actually get someone new to attend an event, they’ll not come to the next one if they’re friendless the whole time.
      Exactly. And unless they're just choosing to portray a loner, they shouldn't have to be, if they've fought in the same regiment or lived in the same small town as most of the other people around them in the 1860s--whether or not they know the people around them in modern life.

      Hank Trent
      hanktrent@gmail.com
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      Strawfoot -
      Quote Originally Posted by LibertyHallVols View Post
      Hank,

      I would agree with your statement here:


      I’m no stranger to modern-era meanness carried out at the event site and the short and long-term effects it can have.

      And, yes, I would agree that a lot of reenactors exhibit poor judgement and a lack of self-control when they allow strong off-event friendships to “contaminate” events with modern chit-chat. At one point “Farby Friday’s” were intended to provide chat-chat time without intruding on the event… but in reality, it lead to Saturday morning hangovers, hurting the event overall. But, I still think that good off-event friendships are good for events.

      We don’t need to keep our relationships with reenactors “just business”. I think the “contamination” of events comes from a combination of (in no particular order) unclear expectations and unenforced standards. We have to be willing to sacrifice numbers in order to maintain standards, even if the 100-man, company-on-company picket post becomes 5 on 3. In my opinion, an event organizer / host unit wouldn’t have to do that more than once… and having done so, I think the hobby would beat a path to their doorstep for future events.

      …and event hosts and organizers cannot effectively enforce standards if they are the only ones doing it. If people are dropping first person, each one of us has to have the sand to let the offenders know and correct them and, when necessary, forward complaints to the host/organizer.

      I guess the point of my post was to envision an ideal and suggest something that we could strive for, not to suggest that we move back toward some imaginary “good ole days”. Time and memory soften the sharp corners of past events so that the “ole days” seem “good”, even if they were, in reality, much worse. However, it should be recognized that a lot the problems we face today have been tackled in the past. The hobby hasn’t always functioned the way it does now and there may be some good old ideas we could draw upon. We need not throw out the baby with the bathwater. We don’t need to kill the patient to cure the disease. [insert your cliché here]

      Another perspective on the same point:
      Are we at the pinnacle of our development as living historians, or is there still room for us to improve? Obviously, I am arguing the latter. One of the issues I see that needs to be addressed is the acquisition, retention, and incorporation of recruits into “our” version of the hobby. Cliques are unpleasant (especially if you’re on the outside), we all get that… but they’re also counterproductive because, if you actually get someone new to attend an event, they’ll not come to the next one if they’re friendless the whole time.

      Thanks for your reply. I think an open, sincere dialogue is a good thing.

      I used to harp about drill constantly. I beat that dead horse so bad I'm sure there were those who just wanted me to go away. I can still remember the event where I probably had the best drill experience ever: Perryville in 2001. I just love doing it.

      Mike Phineas
      Arlington, TX
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      cavman63 -
      "And there's a darker side. The in-people who didn't want out-people to be part of the clique, could start modern cruel lies circulating--because gossiping about people's modern lives was fair game in those face-to-face get-togethers. And it's an authentic experience, because people did that back then too. Uh, yes, that's true, and should be portrayed, but I see no point in setting up the hobby to enable meanness in real life."

      Amen to that Hank and sadly, in some circles this still goes on. It is shameful , hurtful , potentially damaging and should have no place in the already too small world of "authentic" reenacting. In fact, it should have no place in any adults life period but that is a whole other topic for a modern conversation.

      Good thread. Lots of good comments and points of view here. Carry on.