Faulty Friction Primers?

[Vicksburg Dave]

Has anyone had a problem with faulty friction primers lately? Within the past week I have had two get stuck in the vent, and in early June one fragmented, cutting my number 3's face. I'll keep the maker's name to myself for the time being.

[coastaltrash]

Dave,
It's obviously a user problem and not the equipment!

[Vicksburg Dave]

Pat,
You weren't on the gun at the time of incidents; user ignorance, therefore, is out of the question.


PS: When ya going to bring me some more cigars. I can't get a good smoke in Vicksburg these days.

[artillerybuff]

Has anyone had a problem with faulty friction primers lately? Within the past week I have had two get stuck in the vent, and in early June one fragmented, cutting my number 3's face. I'll keep the maker's name to myself for the time being.

Those primers sound like they are way too hot! When I first started making mine for our unit approximately 4 years ago, they too were way too hot and were either bugling in the vent, blowing the bottom off, an/or blowing the top open and the tube down into the vent. What a hassle! After some fine tuning of the friction compound, filling with slower burning powder (1Fg instead of 3Fg) and using a softer wax plug (instead of pure bees wax, way too hard/tight) they now work with 100% reliablity and always fly free of the vent. In fact, the recovered tubes could even be reused as there is no change in dimension, though we do not do this.

I did hear from some that attended the 145 GB event that there were numerous primer failures from a very well known primer maker which I was surprised to hear as they have always been spot on perfect for many years. Not sure if they had to change their chemical friction compound due to unavailability or what. Or perhaps it was an isolated incident due to using old and/or improperly stored primers, I do not know as I do not have first hand information. But these were reported to be failures to fire, not excessively hot primers like you appear to have.

I should mention that stuck primers can be caused by a dirty/fouled vent, but I seriously doubt that is your situation.

2nd Lt. Anthony A. Variz
Battery D 5th US

[cplchrisv]

Dave

We had 4 primers stick in the tube and two that the friction wire pulled out of without igniting at the recent 145th Gettysburg reenactment. We were firing a bronze 6pounder belonging to the 3rd Kansas Battery B


Qmstrsgt Chris Vukovich
1st Missouri Light Artillery
Co K

[61' reb]

Dave, i used to portray a eastern artillery unit and we had the same problem occur. We had many primers get stuck in the vent tube and some the wire even pulled off of the primer itself. I would say that the maker of said primers may be at fault, i would be careful of who i purchased my next batch of primers from.

[ArtilleryNick]

The unit I'm in has had a problem with faulty primers since late last year, and it seems we expended our supply of them at some point in early July. Most of our problems tended to be with the primer igniting its self, but not going off properly. The lanyard would get pulled and the primer would just fizzle in the vent, shooting fire out but not down into the charge. Makes for some great uncertainty when you prepare to fire, and don't know what's going to happen.

[artillerybuff]

Another note regarding Friction Primers. Be sure to store them in a dry container. We keep ours in dated paper bags inside of ammo cans with desiccant. Once they go over 12 months old we use them for drill only. This may seem excessive to some, but we never have misfires. If any of my men show up with primers they forgot they had in their primer pouch from the previous event, they get used during our drill practice as well. Only primers from my properly stored ammo can are ever used during battles and live fire competition, period!

Also, please be careful how your guys handle them. I have seen them go off unintentionally. This can occur from manipulation of the wire. NEVER attempt to adjust or bend the wire while it is in the vent of a loaded cannon!

I should mention that part of our drill includes checking the vent after every shot before loading the next round to ensure we have a clear pathway to the chamber. Finding out your vent is plugged with something after you have just loaded a live round would not be fun, and clearing a stopped vent with a gimlet or punch on a loaded piece is not a good idea.

Lastly, Friction Primers should never be casually carried in your pocket. These are very potent little devils that can cause injury.

Cheers~

2nd Lt. Anthony A. Variz
Battery D 5th US

[Yellowhammer Rebel]

Dave,
I don't know if this will help or not but I thought I would give it a shot anyway. When I used to do artillery several years ago (before I went solid infantry) we used to use primers made by Larry Fischer with no problems at all that I can remember and I worked all positions on the gun. I do believe that if we were having trouble with peoples faces getting cut, or a lot of misfires I would have remembered that. I from my knowledge back then would recommend Larry Fischer's primers wholeheartedly.

Respectfully,
Andrew Schultz

[artillerybuff]

Dave,
I don't know if this will help or not but I thought I would give it a shot anyway. When I used to do artillery several years ago (before I went solid infantry) we used to use primers made by Larry Fischer with no problems at all that I can remember and I worked all positions on the gun. I do believe that if we were having trouble with peoples faces getting cut, or a lot of misfires I would have remembered that. I from my knowledge back then would recommend Larry Fischer's primers wholeheartedly.

Respectfully,
Andrew Schultz

2nd that recommendation. Larry makes very good primers. We used them approximately five years ago before we started making our own and they work every time, are professionally assembled, and have a very nice pull. We did have a terrible batch of primers about six years ago that had a slightly higher than 10% rate of failure (made by a company no longer in business). At least one or more out of every ten the wire would pull out with no pop on those red topped primers...


2nd Lt. Anthony A. Variz
Battery D 5th US