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    Parker Hale Serial Number location

    I purchased a used PH 1853 Enfield at a gunshow in the D.C. area a couple of weeks ago. I'm trying to determine age and record info on the rifle for records keeping. Where is the serial number located?

    I removed the barrel, and here are the markings I can see stamped on the barrel:
    Location_________________Stamp
    Top of barrel________________"Parker-Hale Ltd. Birmingham England"
    Top/Left side, breech area____"1841"
    Bottom_____________________Crown symbol and "BP"
    Bottom_____________________"31/2 Drams Black Powder"
    Bottom_____________________"577 536 GRs Bullet"
    Bottom_____________________Circle symbol divided in thirds with "A", "B" and "5" each in one thrid.

    Is the serial number the "1841" on the left of the barrel on the breech end?

    Thanks,
    Matt O'Driscoll
    1st Reg. KY Volunteers, Co. E

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    Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    Yes, the 1841 is your serial number, on the left side of the breech. Sounds like you got a good English made one, must be from the late seventies, early eighties or so.

    Dave Stone
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    Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    My PH P.53 is S/N 5455 and I bought it brand new in 1978

    Ronnie - Shreveport
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    Exclamation Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    Hallo!

    I don't remember the serial number range anymore, but teh first "batch" of Parker-Hale Rifle-Muskets (the Musketoon came out iin 1974, I think the Rifles in 1976, and the RM's in 1978 [?)] were a wee bit controversial due to two problems that were resolved:

    1. Gas leaks from the breech block burning the stock in the lock mortice.

    2. The two piece stocks appeared to be the Rifle length stock with a longer forearm spliced on and the joint concelaed by the barrel band.

    I also do not remember whether these were recalled and replaced with a corrected version, or whether PH corected the problem in the next batch on out.

    Curt
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    Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    My PH SN 41** has the two piece stock.
    Jim Mayo
    Portsmouth Rifles, Company G, 9th Va. Inf.

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    Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    My PH 3 band was part of a bulk purchase in 1977. 30 3 bands a 1 Naval rifle.
    I paid for one 3 band and the naval.
    The 3 band was the pick of the litter being a tiger stripe stock, Ser. #3759.
    A pretty piece that I still have.
    The Naval Rifle was a crack shooter but has since moved on (regrets).
    The Regiment still owns 27 servicable PHs.
    Erik Simundson

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    Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    Yes, the left side of the chamber would be the correct place for the serial number, 1841 in your case!

    I bought my PH used last year, the serial number is 1011 and is not safe to shoot. It was bought from a prop gun auction in CA. The screw that holds the rear sight was bored thru the top of the barrel into the chamber. This was discovered by Todd Watts as he was defarbing it. So it has been regulated to blanks only. I'll probably end up buying an after market barrel from Hoyt or Whitacre for it. I'd like to hunt with it.

    BTW it also has the 2 piece stock. See Massive Todd Watts Enfield Defarb!!! for some pics of it.
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    Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    My p53, serial number 65**, purchased new in 1987, has a one piece stock of a vivildy patterned, almost checkerboard looking walnut.
    I have never had the rear sight base off it though. Hope there isn't a hole thru the barrel there...
    David Stone

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    Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    The older P-H rear sights seem to be correctly brazed on so the only screw is the leaf spring's retaining screw. I discovered the hole in question while the barrel was in the boiling water tanks as I was bluing it. When I removed the barrel I saw the common spray of water from the vent but there was water running down the barrel as well that did not appear normal. After a couple of more baths I realized there was a tiny hole not much larger than a pin-hole in the base of the sight's hole.

    With black powder pressures that is "probably" safe so long as the screw is tightly snugged. Often times for instance shotgun sights are through-hole screwed. BUT, one never can really know. A gun is in actuality a mono-directional explossive device and high-pressure gasses always seek a path of least resistance. The hole can be repaired by filling and welding it over.

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    Exclamation Re: Parker Hale Serial Number location

    Hallo!

    To look at it differently...

    A screw in the barrel is not entirely "unknown." Various rifle-muskets, rifled-muskets, and carbines have one- the bolster clean-out screw.

    IMHO, the pressures generated by blank loads in a relatively clean barrel should be "safe enough." But I would have the hole sealed. (Not quite so much for the curent owner, but somewhere down the path in the Future the gun may change hands to a "live shooter." One the one hand, if the "hole" is threaded properly and the pitch of the screw sufficient, it "should" hold for live fire. But on the other hand...)

    Curt
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