Pleated Frock Coats

[dave81276]

I'm new to this site and only recently, by the encouragement of friends, moved into the progressive camp in reenacting. I've searched the site on this topic but found nothing.

I recently noticed that Jersey Skilletlicker is offering a pleated Confederate frock coat for sale. First question, how accurate is that for enlisted men? I've seen Gen. Buckner's at the Museum of the Confederacy and I know Gen. Billy Mahone wore one, but would it be period-correct for early war infantrymen or militia? I've also seen it called a fatigue coat.

Second question, where would I find a pattern for it? A friend of mine's wife is an excellent period-correct seamstress and would sew it for me. I've checked Charlie Child's and Past Patterns' websites, but they don't list it.

Please forgive me if I've asked some stupid questions... I'm new.

Sincerely,
Dave Eggleston

[James Masson]

You won't find a pattern for that particular jacket. At least not a commercial pattern. As for the provenance and history of the jacket itself, I know nothing about it.

Regards,

[hireddutchcutthroat]

I'm new to this site and only recently, by the encouragement of friends, moved into the progressive camp in reenacting. I've searched the site on this topic but found nothing.

I recently noticed that Jersey Skilletlicker is offering a pleated Confederate frock coat for sale. First question, how accurate is that for enlisted men? I've seen Gen. Buckner's at the Museum of the Confederacy and I know Gen. Billy Mahone wore one, but would it be period-correct for early war infantrymen or militia? I've also seen it called a fatigue coat.

Second question, where would I find a pattern for it? A friend of mine's wife is an excellent period-correct seamstress and would sew it for me. I've checked Charlie Child's and Past Patterns' websites, but they don't list it.

Please forgive me if I've asked some stupid questions... I'm new.

Sincerely,
Dave Eggleston

Dave

If you are looking for a CS frock, you would be best off with just a plain single breasted CS frock.

[JerseySkilletLicker]

I went through the same "round robin" on this coat when I intially offered it. Screams of "not PEC" and "only Mahone and Bruckner wore it". A little digging turns up a wealth of information on this style of coat.
Please go here for a bit of insight:
http://www.skilletlicker.com/pleatedfrocks.html

In the future, you can always write to me before posting a question such as this, might save you a little time.

Hoping that the above proves useful.

[tmdreb]

There is an image of Syndey Sherman's son, who fought in the defense of Galveston, wearing such a garment in the San Jacinto Museum of History. I do believe he was in the enlisted ranks when he served. Galveston fell in the fall of 1862, so this would qualify for early War to early mid-War.

[Iron Scout]

Maybe not PEC,

But a great image nonetheless! Numerous early SC companies fielded pleated frocks. This is the Richland Volunteer Rifles taken in Columbia before shipping out to Charleston c.1861. Lots of detail, hope the image comes through.

Neill Rose
PLHA
Image courtesy of the SC Confederate Relic Room & Museum

[CJSchumacher]

Much like Barbour TM and English tweeds today...it was a true sportsman's jacket. There are places in London where you can still purchase tweed hunting jackets with pleats in them...although not quite as many, but with the same idea and purpose...mobility. Easier yet, go into any Orvis store here in the states and look at a shooting tweed...you'll find many with two front pleats toward the shoulder and two in the rear. Again, same purpose.

As is the case with much of the finer things in life...most stay similar to or even remain the same.

This frock fits a time and purpose not unfimiliar to a genteman of stature headed off to war.

Chris

[Gallo de Cielo]

Yes, I'll second any that have said these were a pretty common item. In digging through six of the "Portraits of Conflict" series I came across numerous images of pleated frocks.

So yes, to respond to Robert's statement, a plain, single-breasted frock is certainly a fantastic route to go but I would argue that the pleated version is tremendously under-represented and certainly a PEC item for enlisted ranks on up.

My two cents.

Fred Baker

[SCSecesh]

I know we had this discussion quite a while ago, but I'm not certain if it survived the server/service meltdown, but you may be able to use the search function to find several images I posted of SC troops with this style frock - a hunting frock - that appeared to be more common than most seem to believe.

[Minieball577]

I know we had this discussion quite a while ago, but I'm not certain if it survived the server/service meltdown, but you may be able to use the search function to find several images I posted of SC troops with this style frock - a hunting frock - that appeared to be more common than most seem to believe.

Dave, I believe the posting you are referring to was on the old board. I do recall several images, some of which are in Ron Feild's American Civil War Confederate (Brassey's).