Appropriate Trim Color for Type 1 Richmond Depot Jackets?

[FloridaConscript]

http://www.oldsouthantiques.com/os520p1.htm

well, what do you fellers make of that one?

[dirtyshirt]

Hey Bryant,
THAT is a cool jacket... Material looks right for the date. The trim certainly looks like it was put there to start with...I think this reinforces the idea that blue trim (as well as others) could adorn a "Richmond Depot Type 1) to Ian's point. What does everyone else think?

[mdougher]

I think its a neat jacket, but it doesn't help the argument. Blue piping being available and used in 1865 does not mean it was available and used in 1861. We still don't have any proof, either way.

Mike

[LibertyHallVols]

While not an RD1...
The Diggs jacket (Diggs being a cavalryman) is trimmed with yellow tape.

[FloridaConscript]

I think its a neat jacket, but it doesn't help the argument. Blue piping being available and used in 1865 does not mean it was available and used in 1861. We still don't have any proof, either way.

Mike

what makes you think that this jacket is from 1865?

[OldKingCrow]

Jacket Construction = $150
Wooded Hamlet Blue Twill and Cord to Make Requisite Piping = $20
Travel to Event = $250

Sporting a cool jacket that looks like no other in the ranks = Priceless

CJ Rideout
Tampa, Florida

[Ian McWherter]

Jacket Construction = $150
Wooded Hamlet Blue Twill and Cord to Make Requisite Piping = $20
Travel to Event = $250

Sporting a cool jacket that looks like no other in the ranks = Priceless

CJ Rideout
Tampa, Florida

What a bargain!

By starting this conversation I wasn't looking to carve out a new niche for hardkewls to separate themselves from the masses. I remember back in the '90s most mainstream attempts at reproducing these jackets featured branch of service color trim, then came along a few hardcore guys with reproductions of these jackets based largely on the Kent, Paine & Co. jacket trimmed in black. People thought it was pretty cool seeing the black trim, it was something different and before you knew it no "authentic" reproduction of these coats was complete without black tape trim. It became status quo, but I've always wondered just how common black would have originally been, no one seems capable of proving it one way or the other, which is fine. I think it's important for us to occasionally rethink some of our assumptions and try to get back to understanding the true historic record.

[mdougher]

what makes you think that this jacket is from 1865?

'64, '65, late '63, the point is its not '61. Materials changed significantly through the war. It helps with the argument that blue trim was used during the war, which I don't believe anyone would argue with, but not that it was used on RD 1 jackets.

As I said before though, cool jacket. The trim and cuff buttons are certainly different. Not your typical type 3

[bAcK88]

'64, '65, late '63, the point is its not '61. Materials changed significantly through the war. It helps with the argument that blue trim was used during the war, which I don't believe anyone would argue with, but not that it was used on RD 1 jackets.

As I said before though, cool jacket. The trim and cuff buttons are certainly different. Not your typical type 3

How do you know for sure that this jacket is from the 63-65 period? Fine English cloth was being imported into the Confederacy starting in mid-62.

[Citman05]

'64, '65, late '63, the point is its not '61. Materials changed significantly through the war. It helps with the argument that blue trim was used during the war, which I don't believe anyone would argue with, but not that it was used on RD 1 jackets.

As I said before though, cool jacket. The trim and cuff buttons are certainly different. Not your typical type 3

So no argument about blue piping being used on Confederate jackets during the Civil War, but you would argue that it was not used on Early Richmond (Depot, clothing bureau), jackets? Or do you mean to say that there simply are not any surviving examples? Because I don't believe there are any surviving early war infantry Richmond (Depot, clothing bureau) jackets to begin with.