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    Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    GLEANINGS FROM THE NASHVILLE/FRANKLIN CW SHOW....


    Folks, here are some nice cav related artifacts I shot while at the Franklin show.......


    *Black kid leather Guantlets: I do not know much about this item. They look to have age and could well be post war but the pattern, stitching, etc. makes me wonder. Anyone with information? Just a thought.

    * Dug Dragoon Stirrup: This iron stirrups with brass officer’s drooped eagle boss was dug from the CW Camp Nelson Ky. site by a very prolific digger (to go unnamed). This digger is unusual in that he has an anthropology degree but is also a fine CW historian and relic hunter. He has been digging Camp Nelson for years and finds the most unusual and wonderful things there. He also is a diver and has dug 14th - 17th century ship wrecks in the Caribbean, pre-historic sites in South America, European sites and recently Russia. Lately, he found a site in Mexico that yielded a treasure trove of dozens of early 19th century British and American CW guns that were buried intact. Just lots of rusty gun parts now (plates, butts, barrels, etc) but from all sorts of muskets and rifles. He is from Ky but comes to Nashville every year. Digging since he was a teenager he is quite an interesting guy to talk to and comes up with the most amazing stuff I have ever seen come from one digger..... And the stories!

    *Farriers Knife: I have seen many variations of this knife but few with as many tools. Selling for $145 but not to me.


    *New York Stirrup: I have seen these for several states....mostly Southern states. Although I have also seen Pennsylvania finding Yankee states is very unusual. The “riding market” was never that strong in the north.

    *French Bit: This is of the 1853 French pattern bit but the boss is not the usual ordnance bomb or artillery (crossed cannon). The owner told me they were French armor but that makes no sense to me. The boss looks like that found on the French Lancers bits to me. Anyway, he wanted $350- a bit pricey for me and I’d rather just have these photos!

    *Mexican War era (or earlier) Snaffle Bit: This was dug from the Sumner Cty Tenn. home site of a family by the name of Cole. The digger told me that his research showed a family member fought in the Mexican War. The bit may not be a Mex. War piece but the patriotic shield, style and manufacturing suggests the bit to be of the first half of the 19th century. Cool huh? On sale for $375 but being the cheapskate I am, I just took this photo!


    This is always a great show- every year the first weekend of December. If you missed it you also missed the very nice Leech and Rigdon display of pistols, sabers, spurs and leather accoutrements as well as other original stuff like saddles, bits, tons of carbines and rifles, sabers too many to mention, books, uniforms, reenactment gear and more. Currently, the best show in the nation!

    Look at my web site. I expect to have a few new items for sale... fresh from the show!

    Ken R Knopp
    www.confederatesaddles.com
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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    Man!!! I almost forgot one of the coolest things I saw at the show....and these I did buy!

    Matching Pair of “Snake” Cast iron Stirrups.....(Don’t Tread on Me)!!These are early period, (I figure 1830's to 1860's- maybe earlier!! I don't know) These are the coolest of the cool!!! I have never seen a pair like these EVER!! These are originals!! NON-DUG!! Excellent condition! They measure 5 ˝ inches high and 5 1/4 inches wide, treads measure 3 3/4 interior dimensions.
    Would'nt these be really cool on an original Rev War period or pre-war militia saddle or..... even for Civil War. Could be used for reenacting too but a bit small in the treads!!
    Anyway, really a neat relic.

    Ken R Knopp
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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    Man, those are cool!!!
    Mike Ventura
    Shannon's Scouts

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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    Someone recently told me that the gauntlets posted here are not CW period- probably post war. I really dont' know. Maybe someone can chime in here with some better information. In any event, in the book MORE CONFEDERATE FACES by Willliam A Albaugh III, there are several photos of Confederates (usually officers but some privates) with guantlets. Some look like buff (roughout) cowhide and even this little gem. A cavalry officer (?) with black (or dark) gauntlets.
    There was a nice thread on gauntlets back in April of 09 I believe- probably some others. Guantlets are one of those items of authentic discussion that tend to make people loose their temper and good sense. While I am not advocating their widespread use for authentic CS cavalry reenactors and I am quite certain they were not an issue item, I do think they were out there particularly early in the war and especially among some officers. More to the point, I saw this photo and thought it very interesting.

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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    Ken, did you see the sivler plated swivel type officers stirrups with the 1859 patent date? They were on the main floor on the side opposite from the main entrance doors... Unfortunately, the guy didn't allow me to photograph them, but they were very cool. I've not ever seen a pair of them before. Z
    Zack Ziarnek
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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    I saw those, Zack,

    The owner said that this was the first time that he had displayed them at the show. I have seen a photo of some similar in the past, but never "in the flesh". They were in surprisingly good condition, too.

    Mark
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    7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D.

    "Let history dictate our impressions.......not the other way around!"

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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    Zack, Man!! I missed those! What so great about that show is its size. One can see (and learn) alot of fine things or.....overlook some real neat stuff too. I have missed only a couple of those shows since they started it back in 1987 or so. Normally, I do the whole three days yet invariably someone always says later, "did you see...." and durn, I missed it! The item was sold or the show is over. If you like CW "anything" one should try to make that show every year. Thank you for the heads up.

    Ken R Knopp

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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    Yea, he told me that it was the first time in 40 years, he'd had them out of the house... he also offered them to me for $1100... Alsa, champagne taste and a beer budget. Oh well, maybe next year.... Z
    Zack Ziarnek
    ill6thcav@yahoo.com

    Authentic Campaigner since 1998... Go Hard or Go Home!

    "Look back at our struggle for Freedom, Trace our present day's strength to its source, And you'll find that this country's pathway to glory, Is strewn with the bones of the horse." Anonymous

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    Re: Relic Gleanings from the Nasvhille/Franklin Civil War Show....

    Black kid leather? I think I need to head over to my friends farm, and start carving up a goat! I think I missed all of these, wish I'd seen those snake stirrups though. By the way, did anyone else see that flintlock SXS shotgun they had there? It sure was neat but to rich for my blood ($20,000).
    Andrew Verdon

    7th Tennessee Cavalry Company D

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