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  1. #1
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    Cleaning an 1842

    Picked up an 1842 last year after relying on my Enfield since I started the hobby. One of the reasons I chose the Enfield initially was the blueing offered an easier alternative in regards to keeping a rifle clean in the field. However, when I saw this defarbed 69 being offered for sale by Dan Wambaugh I couldn't help myself.
    After the first event I cleaned the rifle to about it's original brightness after having to resort to 400 grit paper. When I got back from Shiloh the rifle was pretty rough but I didn't want to continue to use harsh methods to clean the finish. I ended up using #000 steel wool which removed the rust but left discoloration on the metal.
    What would a rifle in the field have looked like? Would they have a patina or would they be bright. I know that measures such as using crushed brick and ash were used but how often would that have been practical.
    What degree of cleanliness on a rifle with a finish like the 42 do forum members strive for. Would like to hear from anyone who would like to chime in.
    David Parent

    The Cracker Mess
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    WIG

    Veterans would tell of Sherman's ordering a flanking movement and instructing a subordinate how to report his progress: "See here Cox, burn a few barns occasionally, as you go along. I can't understand those signal flags, but I know what smoke means"

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    This may not be very authentic, but I clean mine very, very, very thoroughly. I hate rust on a weapon of any kind. During an event, I just suck it up and keep the bore clear. When I get home, I completely disassemble it, scrub it down with steel wool, clean out the barrel with and oil it down.
    Kenny Pavia
    Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Proud Descendent of-

    Andrew Jackson Smith
    Born 11 July 1843, Greenfield, New York
    Enlisted 17 Feb 1862 in Co. C, 77th NYSV in Saratoga Springs, New York
    Transfered to 1st Regiment Independent Battery NY Light Artillery in April 1863.
    22 Feb 1865, died of disease in Washington DC

    Buried in Arlington National Cemetery

    Frank Alden
    Unassigned recruit, 11th Illinois Cavalry
    Enlisted Feb. 21, 1865
    Died March 1, 1865

  3. #3
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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    Make it shine.
    After all, it is government property, and your life depends on it.
    Regards,
    John Raterink

    "If they carried short rifles and shot people far away, they had to be cool"

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    I try to keep my rubbed down during an event and keep rust off as much as I can. My barrel does have a patina but it can also get some shine on it when cleaned up well and is rust free for inspections etc. Remember Dave, a Cracker's gun should be cleaner than he is.
    Michael Comer

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    Carrying a tin of clear shoe polish helps in the field. You can coat the entire weapon with it and reapply periodically during the day in moments. It significantly retards, but imperfectly prevents, staining and rust.
    Last edited by David Fox; 04-21-2012 at 08:35 PM.
    David Fox

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    I carry a small bottle of olive oil with me, and it doubles for a few drops in my frying pan and for oiling my musket in the field. I also keep a little piece of steel wool in my tool pouch for general rust in the field. Then when I get home, like Kenny, I completely disassemble and do the full cleaning. For rust removal, I have used ash, brick dust, and steel wool. I haven't used it yet, but I know some guys use oven clearner and they have really shiney barrels, but I can't personally recommend it since I haven't used it. Period cleaning products I have read about that were available included ash, brick dust, or burnishing bars. I had an article in my research sources on cleaning of muskets that I am looking for, but can't find it at this moment. If I do, I'll post it.
    Frank Siltman
    24th Mo Vol Inf
    Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
    Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
    Company of Military Historians
    Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    I can suggest that a cloth in your implement pouch that has a glob of bore butter put onto it and folded over can be rubbed onto the weapon after the ash scrubbing. This helps to seal away moisture. I wipe the weapon down with the stuff prior to leaving for an event, during the event (after a cleaning), and after a thorough tear down and cleaning after an event. This ensures that I have a clean weapon prior to use and makes it easier to clean during an event.

    Alexander Vasquez
    Late of Co. C, 15 IA

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    Hallo!

    The heretical observation is that modern reproductions are made of hard steel, whereas the originals were softer iron or at best softer iorn furniture with a mild steel barrel.

    The net result, and difference, is that the modern repros have a tendency to start to surface rust faster.

    The other side of the coin is that iron guns that are Period maintained tend to be "greased/oiled" inside and out. Many modern lads use modern methods and chemically or abrasively strip the metal of thier guns down to naked metal.

    The combination of the former and the later, complicates and compounds the problem.

    If historical accuracy and "authenticity" is a goal, then the ideal would be to try to maintain one's kit in the manner in which it was done in the Period which tends to produce the look of kit maintianed with period methods?

    On the other side of coin, I know lads who car wax their gun's metal, and floor wax their gun's stocks.

    Oh, just two asides...

    For a few years, 1822-1831, trying to make things easier... the government browned the M1822's (M1816 TYpe II's). That was dropped with the Type III's which were returned to bright (save for colored locks and hammers).

    And, without looking it up, IIRC, the Confederate Ordnance manual prohibited the use of burnishing rods believing they would damage barrels.

    Curt


    From Rules for the Management and Cleaning of the Rifle Musket, Model 1861, for the Use of Soldiers (applies to the Springfield Models 1855, 1861, and 1863, and more generally to the Enfield Models 1853 and 1858), under "Rules for Cleaning":

    It is not essential for the musket to be dismounted {disassembled} every time that it is cleaned; for, after firing it in fine weather, or when there has been no chance for the wet to get between the barrel and the stock, it can be perfectly cleaned in the following manner.

    Put a piece of rag or soft leather on the top of the cone, and let the hammer down upon it; pour a gill of water into the muzzle carefully, so that it does not run down the outside; put a plug of wood into the muzzle, and shake the gun up and down, changing the water repeatedly until it comes out clear. When clear, withdraw the leather, and stand the musket on the muzzle for a few moments; then wipe out the barrel (as given in the second rule for cleaning {see below}), and also wipe the exterior of the lock and the outside of the barrel around the cone and cone-seat first with a damp rag, and then with a dry one, and lastly with a rag that has been slightly oiled. In this way, all the dirt due to the firing may be removed without taking out a screw.

    2nd. Screw the wiper on to the end of the ramrod, and put a piece of dry cloth, or tow, round it, sufficient to keep it from chafing the grooves of the barrel; wipe the barrel quite dry, changing or drying the cloth two or three times.

    3d. Put no oil into the vent, as it will clog the passage, and cause the first primer to miss fire; but, with a slightly oiled rag on the wiper, rub the bore of the barrel,... and immediately insert the tompion into the muzzle.
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    Page 192 in The Ordnance Manual For the Use of The Officers of The Confederate State Army states "In cleaning the arms, great care should be observed to [I]preserve the qualities essential to service [I] rather than to obtain a bright polish." I have used the method that Curt quoted from the Rule of the Management and Cleaning the Rifle Musket... on my Enfield. I think it is the same cleaning method in the CS Ordnance Manual. The exception is that I use 000 or 0000 steel wool and oil on the outside of the barrel and other parts. It removes the rust but does not hurt the barrel. The result is barrel that is a grey finish now but is pretty rust resistance. And once in a while I will remove the barrel and stick the breach of the barrel in a bucket of soapy water to clean the breech with a cleaning rod really good.

    Dan Stewart

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    Re: Cleaning an 1842

    There is a wonderful product called "flitz." It's made in Germany and removes all manner of rust and shines metal very well. It's pretty cheap, but not authentic. I believe they have a website. Just google flitz.
    Taylor Kessen

    5th Ohio Light Artillery Battery and 29th OVI

    Then We shall give them the bayonet!- Jackson

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