Austrian Lorenz Repop

[marlin teat]

I was looking around in an antinque store this afternoon and found a bayonet. It was locked in a case so I didn't get to handle it but it was obviously for a muzzle smaller than .577, probably .54. I have a couple of questions:

1. Were there any .54 caliber weapons other than the Lorenz that took a triangular bayonet?

2. What features and markings should I look for? I know nothing about Lorenz bayonets.

3. What is the going price for a Lorenz bayonet in v.g. shape?

Thanks

[KentuckyReb]

Actually, I don't think it's a Lorenz bayonet, unless I'm wrong in thinking that they were 4-sided.

[hireddutchcutthroat]

It could have been a postwar bayonet, such as a Martini Henry or Trapdoor Springfield.

[Jimmayo]

I would agree it is probably a trapdoor 45/70 since they are very common. In addition the outside diameter of a .54 Austrian Lorenz barrel and one re-rifled to .58 is the same.

[NY Pvt]

You can confuse other details of the lorenz at first sight with the Springfield and Enfield, but the difference in the socket is hard to miss.

All of the Springfield and Enfield bayonets from during the war and post war had 90 degree angles in the opening in the socket as seen here:

http://www.gundersonmilitaria.com/de...18552rivetscab

http://shilohrelics.com/Assets/Produ...8241739184.jpg



The Lorenz didn't, as seen here:

http://www.gundersonmilitaria.com/pi...renzcompletevg

[58 lorenz]

I paid around $250 for a Lorenz bayonet in a nice 2-rivet scabbard on eBay early last year.

[marlin teat]

I'm going to try to get back to look at it again this weekend. I looked up some pictures of Martini-Henry baynets and the locking ring was entirely different although there may have been variatons.

As I mentioned, the inside diameter was smaller than the outside diameter of any "common" military caliber weapon that I'm aware of. Other than that, it had the outward appearance of any bayonet that you would glance at on a table at a relic show and move on.

The asking price was $125.00.

[Jimmayo]

3. What is the going price for a Lorenz bayonet in v.g. shape?

I bought this one at the Richmond show in Novermber of 03 for 125. The going price at the shows is between 100 and 135 although one recently sold on e-bay for less than 100. The one pictured is in very good condition and required no cleaning or fitting to my original Lorenz.

[James Brenner]

While I suspect that they do, can someone confirm that a Lorenz four-sided bayonet will fit in a c.1860 US scabbard intended for a triangular bayonet, please? The 104th OVI received Lorenz muskets in September 1862 and Enfields w/bayonets three months later. None of the regiment's primary sources suggest that new scabbards accompanied the Enfield issue. I haven't yet found an answer in any of the secondary sources I've consulted: Reilly, Man at Arms, etc.

Thanks

[Canton Zouave]

James,

Have you examined any of the returns or documenst related to the 104th in the Ohio Historical Society. The A.G. records were a good source for me for some records when I was doing research on the 4th Ohio.

Also, I have a copy of a masters thesis that was written about the 104th OVI. I will look and see if I might find any references in there that may help you.