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    Great sutler transaction

    From: The Civil War Years: A Day by Day Chronicle by Robert E Denney



    Sunday September 4th 1862. Harpers Ferry, westernVirginia
    Private Miller, 87th Ohio Infantry.

    During the bombardment of Harpers Ferry I was sent down with a dollar to get some tobacco for the men. You will understand that the men, compelled to stand in line and be shot at, and the shots being large oblong shells that screamed through the air with a peculiar noise and made the hair stand on end and the heart get way up in the throat, and the men unable to fight back at the fellows who were shooting from the top of a mountain, across a river – only stand and take it – such men get very nervous, and they chew a great deal of tobacco, or at least they seek an excuse to get out of line to go after tobacco, and get out of danger. Well, the Captain, wishing to hold men in line, detailed me to take an Indiana paper dollar and go down to the sutler and get tobacco to supply the men who were asking for it.
    While I was parlaying with the sutler, who had refused to accept the Indiana money, which was below par at the time, a wounded Indiana soldier came in from Maryland heights, his hand being shot and a handkerchief tied around it. As soon as he learned what the controversy was about, he ordered the sutler to take the money – and take it p.d.q. The sutler refused. The soldier said “I am an Indiana soldier, and you refuse to take Indiana money of Indiana soldiers in the line fighting for your protection. I’ll see about it.” And he quietly began loading his gun, against his wounded hand. Then he took a cartridge and tore off the end and inserted the charge of powder and the ball in the muzzle of his gun; then taking hold of the ramrod he drew it up, and turned it into his gun barrel. By this time the sutler begun to explain that, of course I could have the tobacco, but the money was of no use to him. Indianala money is good enough for any damned sutler,” said the soldier, and he proceeded to put a cap on his gun. The sutler wilted and proposed to accept the money for 10 plugs of black strap tobacco and never again under any circumstances refuse the money of any loyal state.

    As we started out together, the soldier smiled and remarked that he was wanting a chaw of tobacco himself pretty bad. I handed him a plug, and thanked him for helping me out of a tight place, and we separated, he saying, “You were not in as tight a place as that damned sutler.”
    Justin Runyon; Pumpkin Patch Mess: WIG-GHTI
    Organization of American Historians
    Company of Military Historians
    CWPT, W.M., Terre Haute #19 F&AM
    Terre Haute Chapter 11 RAM

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    Re: Great sutler transaction

    A good example why the term "SUTLER" came from the Dutch, meaning a person of low office!
    Pvt. S.D. Henry
    Co. A 3rd Maine Volunteer Infantry
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    Re: Great sutler transaction

    Justin,

    Sounds like a good read:The Civil War Years: A Day by Day Chronicle by Robert E Denney

    I am adding books to my collection based on the experiences of soldiers, through letters and memoirs. This sounds like something worth the purchase price.

    One of the things I like about this subject is the feeling and viewpoints... each are unique, although there are common experiences that are somewhat universal to the "typical" foot solider.

    Thanks for sharing, and I would assume you would recommend this book.

    Respectfully,
    Skip Korte
    Cpl. Skip Korte
    17th MO. Vol Inf.
    Company G
    Western Blues Mess

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    Skip,

    I don't think I even own this book. I jot down many things to use later and always include the citation info in my notes. In short, I don't know if I can reccomend the book or not, just liked that quote.
    Justin Runyon; Pumpkin Patch Mess: WIG-GHTI
    Organization of American Historians
    Company of Military Historians
    CWPT, W.M., Terre Haute #19 F&AM
    Terre Haute Chapter 11 RAM

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    Re: Great sutler transaction

    Looks like a pretty good read for a modest price:
    http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Year.../dp/0517189453
    Cheers.
    Paul Hadley

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    Re: Great sutler transaction

    Thanks for your feedback Justin, I can appreciate your broad scope of information, and how it is presented. However, due to Paul's quick help in pricing and locating the book, and your peaking my interest... I believe I will purchase said book.

    If you like, contact me at a later date for more quotes to use, or if you would like my assessment of the book.

    Respectfully,
    Skip Korte
    Cpl. Skip Korte
    17th MO. Vol Inf.
    Company G
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    Re: Great sutler transaction

    Justin,

    Great quote. I like to jot down words and phrases with verbiage that you would not normally associate with the 1860s, like p.d.q. not something I would have thought of to hear used.

    Dave Bushmole

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    Re: Great sutler transaction

    What was with those wild and woolly Hoosiers? I was ROFLMAO. Compare that with all those wonderful anecdotes from the Noe Perryville book and the Indianans start to sound almost as hard as the Buckeyes.

    Great quote.


    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Runyon View Post
    From: The Civil War Years: A Day by Day Chronicle by Robert E Denney



    Sunday September 4th 1862. Harpers Ferry, westernVirginia
    Private Miller, 87th Ohio Infantry.

    During the bombardment of Harpers Ferry I was sent down with a dollar to get some tobacco for the men. You will understand that the men, compelled to stand in line and be shot at, and the shots being large oblong shells that screamed through the air with a peculiar noise and made the hair stand on end and the heart get way up in the throat, and the men unable to fight back at the fellows who were shooting from the top of a mountain, across a river – only stand and take it – such men get very nervous, and they chew a great deal of tobacco, or at least they seek an excuse to get out of line to go after tobacco, and get out of danger. Well, the Captain, wishing to hold men in line, detailed me to take an Indiana paper dollar and go down to the sutler and get tobacco to supply the men who were asking for it.
    While I was parlaying with the sutler, who had refused to accept the Indiana money, which was below par at the time, a wounded Indiana soldier came in from Maryland heights, his hand being shot and a handkerchief tied around it. As soon as he learned what the controversy was about, he ordered the sutler to take the money – and take it p.d.q. The sutler refused. The soldier said “I am an Indiana soldier, and you refuse to take Indiana money of Indiana soldiers in the line fighting for your protection. I’ll see about it.” And he quietly began loading his gun, against his wounded hand. Then he took a cartridge and tore off the end and inserted the charge of powder and the ball in the muzzle of his gun; then taking hold of the ramrod he drew it up, and turned it into his gun barrel. By this time the sutler begun to explain that, of course I could have the tobacco, but the money was of no use to him. Indianala money is good enough for any damned sutler,” said the soldier, and he proceeded to put a cap on his gun. The sutler wilted and proposed to accept the money for 10 plugs of black strap tobacco and never again under any circumstances refuse the money of any loyal state.

    As we started out together, the soldier smiled and remarked that he was wanting a chaw of tobacco himself pretty bad. I handed him a plug, and thanked him for helping me out of a tight place, and we separated, he saying, “You were not in as tight a place as that damned sutler.”
    Bob Muehleisen
    Furious Five
    Cin, O.

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