The Behavior of Soldiers Wounded in Battle by Kevin O'Beirne, Columbia Rifles

[NoahBriggs]

There was a minor brawl over this in the medical section of Szabo's Zoo. I think we were split down the middle (fortunately without any blood). As you can imagine I clamped down on the idea of fake blood for the same reasons here - bad taste, given what's going on in real life, fake blood looks fake, most reenactors have no idea how to act wounded, and the like. I plugged this article in case I got any dissenting views. Eventually it wandered over to blood-stained aprons on surgeons. Not only are blood-stained aprons something of a reenactorism, it seems they were not part of the official issue in the hospital supply requests.

I set up my surgical procedures so one only gets a glimpse of what's going on and their fetid imagination fills in the rest.

[Duff]

I agree with Dale and Kevin. Fake blood is definatly in bad taste. Plus it seems a little corny and overly theatrical when I do see it at an event.

As for blood staining, a blood stain could be authentic where someone may have cut himself or something and got blood on his clothing. The problem with fake blood is it is NOT real blood, and will stain the clothing a different way then real blood.

[Charles Heath]

This article will certainly come in handy this coming weekend at Crittenden's Farm (based on the Cedar Mountain affair) , and I hope the casualty scenario is a good beta test for After The Battle/Slaughter Pen in November. Well, let's see if we can find that prisoner article as a companion piece.

[CJDaley]

"It would be interesting to see people dragging severed limbs on and off of the battlefield".--Tyler Gibson

NO it is not, I assure you.

In my first unit there was an event you can set your clock to. It happened every year at our annual event at Old Bethpage Village Restoration. It was a fight. Two guys would square off in a mock fight and roll around on the ground for several minutes while everyone stood around and cheered (or laughed). Finally after years of this, a veteran member of the unit (who was also a member of the NYPD) said “Have you ever seen a real street fight? Have you ever been in the center of a bar brawl?” He went on to say that there is no way to fake a fight like that, too many people are milling about unconcerned, there are no real punches and the two combatants aren’t trying to injure the other man. There’s just no way to fake it.

Carry that into ‘taking hits’ and I agree with him. Why fake something that can be so offensive, sacrilegious and disrespectful? I don’t think anyone who takes a hit intentionally sets out to mock the wounded or dead, but I think it comes off that way to the public sometimes.

Solutions to taking hits:

• Just Sit Down In 1996 I helped organize a living history for the public and we had pre-planned hits. At certain points in the battle demo men were schedule to take hits, but instead of dropping to the ground in mock pain, they simply stopped marching forward and sat down on the ground ‘Indian’ style. By the time the demo was over, the demo field was spattered with the ‘wounded’ who were sitting quietly. The impact on the public was just greater than if they had taken ‘hits’.
  
• Just Sit Down Part II Another take on the first idea is to end your demo, then ask folks who are wounded (again with pre planned assignments) to simply step out of the ranks or to sit down. The public gets to see the impact of the battle on the original unit you are portraying without the play acting.
  
• Just don't do it I’ve participated in small picket posts events were the ‘no hit rule’ was in effect. Basically we did what the soldiers did 99% of the time in the 1860s. We set up CS and US lines a few hundred yards apart and just starred at each other for two days. No (or few) shots, no hits, no wounded, no flanking, no prisoners and no skirmishers. We simply changed guards every few hours, cooked our meals, tried not to freeze and watched the enemy lines. We still had tension as we knew the opposing side was out there someplace. Those are some of the best events I’ve ever attended, but this only works in small number (less than 50 per side)
  
• Just don’t do it part II If you’re a big battle, have the announcer tell the public why you aren’t demonstrating wounded/dead soldiers. I think the public will understand you’re doing it out of respect to the Boys of ’61 and will enjoy the reenactment just the same. Radical idea and will probably never happen, but it’s something I’ve thought about for years.

[Andrew Kasmar]

Hi,

I would say we need to take hits, but leave the fake blood at home. I have seen some very bad hits, with the so called "wounded" rolling around and laughing. That being said, I have seen very good hits, where I actually thought that one of my friends had been wounded. Because I have never been on a real war ( I am very glad about that), I do not know how men react to gun shot wounds. Becasue of this, when I take a hit, I portray killed soldier, and just lay there as still as I can.

Christopher J. Daley

Just Sit Down In 1996 I helped organize a living history for the public and we had pre-planned hits. At certain points in the battle demo men were schedule to take hits, but instead of dropping to the ground in mock pain, they simply stopped marching forward and sat down on the ground ‘Indian’ style. By the time the demo was over, the demo field was spattered with the ‘wounded’ who were sitting quietly. The impact on the public was just greater than if they had taken ‘hits’.

Just Sit Down Part II Another take on the first idea is to end your demo, then ask folks who are wounded (again with pre planned assignments) to simply step out of the ranks or to sit down. The public gets to see the impact of the battle on the original unit you are portraying without the play acting.

Not a bad idea, but instead of sitting there, I would like them just to lay down. The main thing I have against the just sitting there, is that for me, the battle would just lose something.The article that was posted, is a good one, and I hope to learn something from it. Just my 2 cents.

[cprljohnivey]

"Just don’t do it part II If you’re a big battle, have the announcer tell the public why you aren’t demonstrating wounded/dead soldiers. I think the public will understand you’re doing it out of respect to the Boys of ’61 and will enjoy the reenactment just the same. Radical idea and will probably never happen, but it’s something I’ve thought about for years. "

If you want to see this... go to Fort Ligonier in PA for their Ligonier days event. Its F&I but they do exactly this.

[CJDaley]

If you want to see this... go to Fort Ligonier in PA for their Ligonier days event. Its F&I but they do exactly this.

Does it work?

[cprljohnivey]

It works as for what the state park there wants. They do a blow by blow over the lound speaker. They bill it as a tactical demonstration and stress that the reenactors are only demonstrating how the troops would have moved in battle, but that no hits are being taken. The crowd always applauds at the end. This year is the 250th anniversary. Oct. 9-12 same as Bristoe Station. Ft. Ligonier is east of Pittsburg a short drive form the turnpike.

For my own personal opinon... I personally disagree with this style of tactical demonstratino as I think having folks shooting muskets at each other with no one at least sitting down or otherwise demonstrating some sort of casualty attrition teaches kids that firing guns has no consequences. That is my own opinion and does not represent the views of this television station...

[7thNJcoA]

Being wounded myself and seeing others wounded servery there is not much screaming and kicking. The only yelling was for the Corpsman or Medic. Your adrenaline is in full swing and you do not feel the full brunt of the injury until after the fighting dies down. I really do not see a need to do more than lay on the ground when taking a hit. If there are people tending to you, you should then move a little if they ask. The best thing is when litter bearers are running up and down the field picking up bodys IMHO that is as close to real life as we need to get.

Semper Fi to the other Jarheads who posted on this topic.

[Andrew Kasmar]

Being wounded myself and seeing others wounded servery there is not much screaming and kicking. The only yelling was for the Corpsman or Medic. Your adrenaline is in full swing and you do not feel the full brunt of the injury until after the fighting dies down. I really do not see a need to do more than lay on the ground when taking a hit. If there are people tending to you, you should then move a little if they ask. The best thing is when litter bearers are running up and down the field picking up bodys IMHO that is as close to real life as we need to get.

Semper Fi to the other Jarheads who posted on this topic.
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Drew Ingram

Hi,

Thank you for your service to our country. Also, thank you for posting your knowledge on the subject of wounded soldiers, I have wondered about that for some time.