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Sugar cones
I was wondering if someone could tell me how to make a good sugar cone. We were issued these at TAG and it got me thinking I would like to make some for future personal use or as part of an issue at a future event. Is there a form that is used? How is the sugar held together - through simple compression or is there something that is used as an "adhesive"?
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HuntDaw,
I am of no use on this subject, but that never stopped me from speaking up... The cones from TAG were a delight compared to the ones I've gotten at Wal-Mart in the past. The Wal-mart versions were very sturdy (rock hard) and located in the veg/fruit section. End caps with other 'ethnic food' items. Later, John Pillers
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Re: Sugar cones
If you know anyone that works with wood, or even aluminum, you could have them make a mold for you to your specs. Seems to me all it would take would be some brown sugar that has been moistened slightly packed firmly into a mold of this type. If you don't want to go to all this trouble, buy them from a Walmart, usually located in the Mexican food section.
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Re: Sugar cones
If anyone is using/recommending cones made of brown sugar for your Civil War impression, I'd like to see your documentation that sugar loaves (cones) in the U.S. in the 1860s were made of brown sugar instead of white.
I don't think they were, but rather than repost the lengthy stuff necessary to attempt to prove a negative, how about y'all make it simple and just post the documentation that they were? Hank Trent hanktrent@voyager.net |
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Re: Sugar cones
Hank, sorry I ruffled your feathers a bit. I have no idea if they were brown or white sugar. I have a pard that remains convinced they were brown, but if you got evidence otherwise I would be more than happy to see it.
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Re: Sugar cones
Mr. Comer,
We've had good success with using a period sugar mold (the young folks lucked up in a junk shop and recognized it for what it was), slighty moistened commerical white sugar, and a bit of tamping down. Sometimes a typically humid Deep South August afternoon is all that is necessary. I do prefer a coarse ground sugar to a fine one, as it seems to hold moisture in the manner that brown sugar does, and thus packs more easily. Besides, I've gone after those brown sugar cones found in the Mexican food with a hammer and chisel, and STILL couldn't chip off enough for my coffee
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Re: Sugar cones
I had always heard, probably on this forum some time in the past, that the Turbinado sugar now found in grocery stores is period correct. It is somewhat coarse, has a brownish color but tastes basically like white sugar; definitely not brown sugar. If you've seen those "sugar in the raw" packets in the coffee shops, that's it.
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Re: Sugar cones
Many thanks for the info so far. I do have a box of turbinado and might see if I can devise a form. I have never seen those cones at Wally World but it sounds like something I'd rather avoid.
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Re: Sugar cones
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That's what we're all here for, right?I've been looking in vain for documentation of brown sugar cones in the U.S. in the 1860s, and since there's an expectation that the things recommended on this forum are supported with evidence, what better place to find people who can share evidence for brown sugar cones? Your friend must have some solid information if he's convinced cones were brown. Why not get it from him and post it? I'd like to see it. Quote:
Unfortunately, I only have a copy of a follow-up post I made on the subject, so it kind of starts in mid-stream, but the major information is there. My previous (missing) post included this quote from "Sugar--Its Culture and Consumption in the World, Debow's Review, August 1855: "The different species of commercial sugar usually met with in this country are four, viz: brown, or muscovado sugar, (commonly called moist sugar,) clayed sugar, refined or loaf sugar, and sugar candy; these varieties are altogether dependent on the difference in the methods employed in their manufacture." Here's a repost of my earlier follow-up post: Quote:
Since making that post, I *have* found evidence of the Walmart-style sugar cones in the period, in Mexico, on the way to the refinery. So if you're reenacting something in Mexico, they're period correct, and it's funny (and maybe significant) that they're still regionally associated even today. However, the fact that the U.S. author commented on them seems to add weight to the fact that they're not something he was used to seeing in the U.S. Quote:
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My tentative conclusion about why this belief is so widespread despite the fact that I can find no evidence, is that it's a combination of two things "everybody knows"--that old-timey sugar came in loaves, and that people used a lot of crude brown sugar back then instead of so much of this modern refined stuff. Each fact taken separately is correct, but somehow they've become combined in reenactor lore into the inaccurate belief that period brown sugar came in cones. How would you document the fact that some (most? all?) sugar loaves in the 1860s U.S. were brown? Hank Trent hanktrent@voyager.net |
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You have improved the hobby (see Sinks.)
Two gems today, this and info on 'Little Rock' CS dress coats, John Pillers TSM Last edited by John of the Skulkers Mess; 01-06-2004 at 07:37 PM. Reason: edit'd |
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