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  • What is going on in this pic?!

    Look real close, why are there so many double breasted jackets? Are those crossed sabers on some of those dudes hats? and check the gnarly smoking caps.
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    Re: What is going on in this pic?!

    I think you need to add the image, not seeing anything.
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    • #3
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      http://www.flickr.com/photos/usnatio...7624287859202/
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      • #4
        Re: What is going on in this pic?!

        This is indeed weird - and considering there are nearly 100 men in the photo, and so many uniform variations, the "company of infantry" description might be a stretch. Note that none of the men in double breasted coats are under arms - probably sailors.

        Bet this is a western subject taken in a place like Cairo, IL and those sailors are a gunboat crew.
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        • #5
          Re: What is going on in this pic?!

          A real odd-ball photo. It is ID'd as an infantry company...but the fellow in the frock with the full-dressed Hardee hat appears to be artillery...so I guess they're "heavies". A real odd mixture of of those double-breasted jackets and standard sack coats and frock coats. Some guys are fully-accoutered, some with full knapsacks...and a whole group not under arms at all.

          Paul McKee

          Correction: I see that only the kneeling men are armed and accoutered. Everyone behind them is not under arms, and nearly half of them have that strange double-breasted jacket. Several of the unarmed men have full knapsacks with bedrolls too.
          Last edited by CompanyWag; 04-04-2011, 06:37 PM.
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          • #6
            Re: What is going on in this pic?!

            Took me a while to find it but here's the other photo I mentioned in an earlier thread. If you look at the officers in both photos, they are the same men. The officer wearing a blouse and with mutton chops is standing at left with what looks like a small squad of infantry (?) in fatigue blouses. The rest are in the short double-breasted jackets with a variety of headgear including tams or navy "flat hats", forage caps, kepis, and hats.

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            • #7
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              I would also say that the guns in the second picture certainly appear to be Navy Boat Howitzers, so it would appear that this could be a gunboat crew. I don't know too much about western gun boat crews, but the men under arms are probably Marines or soldiers detailed as marines.
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              • #8
                Re: What is going on in this pic?!

                Yes, those guns appear to be 12-pounder Dahlgren Boat Howitzers. Definitely Navy, I'd say. You may well be correct about the armed men in the first photo as well.

                Paul McKee
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                • #9
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                  Mississippi Marine Brigade. Mixture of Army and Navy?
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                  • #10
                    Re: What is going on in this pic?!

                    Could it be a garrison from some fort along the Mississippi? I can't make out the background real well, should get my glasses fixed, but just a thought.
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                    • #11
                      Re: What is going on in this pic?!

                      In the first image are those crossed cannon on the guys hats? They kind of look like crossed sabers. Also some of those infantry guys look way to hardened to be garrison troops. And its interesting because Matthew Brady is the photographer. i never really thought he left the Eastern theater.
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                      • #12
                        Re: What is going on in this pic?!

                        I think the hypothesis that this is a naval/marine detachment is the most likely, but hard to say whether they are part of a gunboat crew or on shore duty. The western gunboat crews were filled out early on with men transferred from infantry regiments, which could explain the infantry gear. They could also be navy detached to garrison shore batteries. Harper's Ferry had a battery manned by a naval detachment, so it's not a stretch to think that Cairo, with actual naval facilities, would be similar. You also had naval detachments manning shore batteries at siege of Vicksburg.

                        Could also be Ellet's Mississippi Marine Brigade. I know they had a unique uniform, partiicularly some sort of long-billed cap, but don't remember the details to compare to this photo.
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                        • #13
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                          The image is attributed to Mathew Brady, which if correct, rules out the Western theater. Certainly an odd group here, and as observed, Navy and probably Marines.
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                          • #14
                            Re: What is going on in this pic?!

                            Originally posted by ScottCross View Post
                            The image is attributed to Mathew Brady, which if correct, rules out the Western theater. Certainly an odd group here, and as observed, Navy and probably Marines.
                            This guy is the proverbial fly in the ointment as far as the Marine ID. I know of no Marines uniformed like this. Fully trimmed dress hat looped up on the right, crossed cannon insignia, frock coat...and are those shoulder scales I spy peeking out under his knapsack straps? This is why I had originally opined "Heavy Artillery" for the armed guys.

                            Admittedly, this fellow does look a little out of place among the other armed men.

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                            Last edited by CompanyWag; 04-05-2011, 02:10 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Re: What is going on in this pic?!

                              He's also wearing a 9 button frock. Marine is 7 button.
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