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  • OldKingCrow
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    It is not too terribly kit heavy.......

    SH's accurate naval goods and fair prices notwithstanding.....

    An acceptable work naval frock can be sewn by anyone with enough want for one from readily available free online patterns and the right materials ......which can very reasonably obtained at Joann's Fabrics, WalMart etc. Same goes for the undershirt.

    For the flat hat you need a yard or so of jean or blue wool flannel from Danny Wambaugh.

    To get started national trousers or CS brown jean trousers will work...the pattern for broadfall naval trouser or button fly with lace up rear yoke and full "bloomed" cut to the ankle is a little more elusive....standard CS trouser patterns can be modified by cutting a full leg in a straight line from hip / inseam >to> hem..this allowed for plenty o' room to climb the rigging in them and engineering a lace yoke in the rear.

    Neckerchief is easy and a sea bag too.....all from store purchased materials (Unbleached/dyed, duck, drill, denim, etc).

    Here are some issues:

    - No captain wants hob nails and heel plates on decks...especially on wood decked "more historic" craft. Plus you WILL B.Y.A. on wet decks with 'em on anyhow..especially fiberglass, steel decks.

    - Unless you can pull some super accurate piece of time rabbit out of your hat...each vessel is a compromise in some degree of authenticity / anachronism. Any USCG Captain who will allow you to anchor / drift off shore or in the bay will require modern lighting and radar....my plan to have manned watches all night (like posting pickets) did not assuage these concerns.

    - The August 5, 1864 US Navy procession and attack on the Fort(s) and CS Fleet was well planned and timed on a requiste ingoing tide. Irrespective of a favorable tide the Capt's I spoke with and visited are reluctant to be under sail alone in that channel....and when you factor trying to get over the USS Tecumseh to lay wreath / fire a volley, being under modern power is a must..... especially on the anniversary weekend in August at a popular Alabama boating spot. Google Earth the mouth of the bay at Bon Secours (site of CSS Tennessee attack and surrender) and you will see the further hazards to navigation by the restrictive shoaling / sandbars... a hydro-graphic feature the CS engineers utilized to help funnel the US fleet into their waiting torpedo fields which the USS Tecumseh met her demise to.......Damn the torpedoes !

    Good luck...I did some heavy research, amassed some historically representative kit, had lined up some good learnin' on period seamanship, rations square and I sewed my fat fingers off whilst fantasizing about pulling this one off.

    CJ Rideout
    Tampa, Florida

    edited to add history stuff:
    If one or more of the vessels be disabled, their partners must carry them through, if possible; but if they can not then the next astern must render the required assistance; but as the admiral contemplates moving with the flood tide, it will only require sufficient power to keep the crippled vessels in the channel. General Order of Rear-Admiral Farragut, U. S. Navy.

    GENERAL ORDERS,

    NO. 10.

    U.S. FLAGSHIP Hartford,
    Off Mobile Bay, July 12, 1864.

    D.G. Farragut,
    Rear-Admiral, Commanding West Gulf Blockading Squadron.
    Last edited by OldKingCrow; 03-24-2010, 05:47 PM.

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  • Justin Morris
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    Planning on the 2012 150th is in the beginning stages. The Gun Deck Boys are also attempting to put a School of the Sailor together for next spring. Will be held possibly at the Columbus Naval Museum. More info to come.

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  • Union Navy
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    Yes, it does look like the event is cancelled. Unless someone down South (or elsewhere) is able to step in and complete planning, consider this a non-event. Most unfortunate. Perhaps we should start planning now for the 2012 150th...

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  • sigsaye
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    Originally posted by OldKingCrow View Post
    No worries, Steve....you're a good man and a fine sutler. I knew early on from our conversations you couldn't make it. As a satisfied customer of yours, I was hoping to drum up naval kit needs to send your way. I tried to post on the CW Navy forum where I am banned (which I don't get as I had all of like three completely on point posts over there). Then others involved don't respond to my emails and I tried to get word through alternate channels via some here to no avail.

    It was just an effort to put a small "at sea" event together...... not a request for folks to be my B.F.F., pay for my health insurance or let me date their sisters.

    CJ Rideout
    Tampa, Florida
    You got BANNED over there! Holy Crap, I've seen verbel fist fights (including the "If I see you at an event, I'm gonna....) break out over there and not result in anything. What did they ban you for? You were one of the most civil and articulate posters there. BTW, my health insurance is covered, and my sister is a Senior Chiefin the Navy, married to a Senior Chief in Hawaii. She used to live in Tampa and hated it, so that was never an issue. Any way, keep in touch, there are guys putting together Naval impressions who are interested in doing it right. They just need time to get it all together. You know how those wild eyed evil Authentica are, gotta research everything and make sure every thing is squared away before they'll attempt to protray history. They really are a pain with all that accuracy and authenticity!

    Steve Hesson

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  • OldKingCrow
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    No worries, Steve....you're a good man and a fine sutler. I knew early on from our conversations you couldn't make it. As a satisfied customer of yours, I was hoping to drum up naval kit needs to send your way. I tried to post on the CW Navy forum where I am banned (which I don't get as I had all of like three completely on point posts over there). Then others involved don't respond to my emails and I tried to get word through alternate channels via some here to no avail.

    It was just an effort to put a small "at sea" event together...... not a request for folks to be my B.F.F., pay for my health insurance or let me date their sisters.

    CJ Rideout
    Tampa, Florida

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  • sigsaye
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    Originally posted by OldKingCrow View Post
    This event is not happening. Sorry. There are suitable boats out there across the appropriate, historical ports of call. Naval kit is pretty easy to sew in terms of relative garment complexity. Make it happen. I couldn't, even using Bob as a shill.

    Go to Steven Hesson's CW Navy group on yahoo. I seem to have gotten the heave ho from there.

    Chris Rideout
    Tampa, Florida
    Chris, Sorry this didn't work out. There is/was interest from some folks on this forum , I just couldn't participate at this time. I directed them to you for further information on the event as I didn't feel I had all the information and you were actually honchoing the gig. I personnaly would love to participate in the event you were working on. I just have too many other obligations that were previously layed on to devote the time and funding to it at this time. And, I don't have a forum on Yahoo. That forum is run by a guy in Norfolk, and is pretty hard core Mainstream, so you wouldn't get much from there as far assistance or participation, especially if they would have actually pay to participate.

    The thing to keep in mind is, that at best, for the majority of folks who would be interested in an authentic Naval event, it would be a secondary impression. They would have to research an impression and then put it together. Then research the event from the "Wet" side. And, most of those folks already had their season planned out. I am actually putting together uniforms for guys that were looking at participating in your event and sending them general "Sailor LIfe" information to get a base line knowledge of the impression.

    Just because I said I couldn't personaly participate in this event does not mean I am not interested and wouldn't assist as I could. I hadn't heard any more about the event either from you, or posts on any of the assorted forums since it was first proposed. I didn't think it was my place to bother you for info since I could not be there. I thought that if you needed help, you would ask.

    Steve Hesson

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  • OldKingCrow
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    No heat here....just update.

    Thanks

    Chris Rideout
    Tampa, Florida
    Last edited by OldKingCrow; 03-24-2010, 06:52 AM.

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  • paulcalloway
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    Chris -
    You're losing forum privileges faster than we're making forums. Cool it.

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  • Silas
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    PM sent.

    - Silas Tackitt

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  • OldKingCrow
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    Originally posted by Silas View Post
    Huh? None of your post makes sense, Chris.
    Nutin' new there.

    The event is canceled. I was for want of a kewler moniker the man behind the curtain and Bob was the pretty face.

    There is plenty of oppty to put together a great naval event as this one could have been if not for my utterly repellent ways and the total ruination of any standing / relationships I once may have had in this hobby.

    CJ Rideout
    Tampa, Florida

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  • Silas
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    Huh? None of your post makes sense, Chris.

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  • OldKingCrow
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    Re: Damn the Torpedoes, Mobile Bay, August 6-8, 2010

    This event is not happening. Sorry. There are suitable boats out there across the appropriate, historical ports of call. Naval kit is pretty easy to sew in terms of relative garment complexity. Make it happen. I couldn't, even using Bob as a shill.

    Go to Steven Hesson's CW Navy group on yahoo. I seem to have gotten the heave ho from there.

    Chris Rideout
    Tampa, Florida

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  • ltdan25th
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    I wish this was closer for us to attend..Sounds like a great opportunity for education in the Navy way..Not enough out there for Naval impressions I would love to see more of it.

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  • Creel
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    Shantyman, where are located?

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  • Shantyman
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    I await with eager anticipation.

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