Overlooked in the reenacting world

[CJDaley]

Re: Overlooked in the reenacting world

Food for thought: given that most reenactors of whatever "quality" are somewhat deficient in their portrayal (including me), I'll suggest that the areas that most need improvement by individuals are the things they portray most often. For example, if you portray a soldier, you need to prioritize how soldiers did things. While I fully agree that everyone of the Civil War era know an awful lot about "civilian life", as great as it is to improve one's knowledge of, say, period farming techniques or blacksmithing, if those aren't what you spend most of your time doing in reenacting, then I believe that the typical reenactor should be concentrating his/her main improvement efforts on the things they actually use at events and what they should be doing at events.

There's no substitute for a complete, well-rounded, reenactor knowledgable in various areas. Until we can get there more consistently, however, we should each be prioritizing our personal areas of improvement to get the most improvement in the things we do (or should do) the most.

Just one person's opinion.

I agree and my post wasn't meant to divert attention. My suggestions were:

1. One day a month you read a newspaper.
2. Two days a year you volunteer at a museum.
3. You read one (1) book.

Doing those three things in addition to your regular research into the life of a soldier shouldn't be that much of a burden.

[Duff]

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Mabye a solution to pre-war jobs could lie in the job you have now. Greg posted a booklet of with a list of period jobs in it. Many of the jobs we have now are the same as the ones back then. Granted, the specifics have changed in the last 140+ years, and new jobs have emerged and old ones have died out, but many of the skills needed are the same. Lets take a teacher as an example. The way peaple are educated has changed greatly since the civil war, but the basic idea and many of the skills needed are the same. This expirience in modern teaching will make it easier for a reenactor to portray a period teacher.

Other jobs are not so specific. A modern bartender or waiter/waitress would make a good tavern keeper. I personaly work at an ice skating rink. I work in a pro shop and shapen skates. In other words, I sell goods and sharpen things. I could be someone who works in a shop or someone who sparpens tools or something of that nature.

I could go on for hours about the similaritys of jobs. I'm basicly saying use the skills you already have. You already have expirience in the field. If you hate your job, portray a soldier that hates his civilian job. It always eaisier to just be a yourself living in a different time period than invent a new personality. Doing this will make your impression seem more "real".


This kinda reminds me of the "modern soldiers=better reenactors" thread we had going a while ago. Its essencialy the same idea.

[Old Reb]

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Period trash.

[Alamo Guard]

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Somewhat mentioned here but in another light. Soldiers reading period correct books. Alot of the classics we call are classics arent classics to the folks back then. Every schoolboy back then knew about Ivanhoe but how many of you have ever sat around the campfire idscussing the dusky maiden from the story?
Another thing is period correct food as in what we eat today verus back then. One company The South Carolina Seed Company does sell period correct seeds for alot of the crops that were grown back then. There are field peas of todya verus what they eat back then. Lastly, yellow cornmeal was mostly animal feed, its white corn meal for every day living.......

[Kevin O'Beirne]

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Food for thought: given that most reenactors of whatever "quality" are somewhat deficient in their portrayal (including me), I'll suggest that the areas that most need improvement by individuals are the things they portray most often. For example, if you portray a soldier, you need to prioritize how soldiers did things. While I fully agree that everyone of the Civil War era know an awful lot about "civilian life", as great as it is to improve one's knowledge of, say, period farming techniques or blacksmithing, if those aren't what you spend most of your time doing in reenacting, then I believe that the typical reenactor should be concentrating his/her main improvement efforts on the things they actually use at events and what they should be doing at events.

There's no substitute for a complete, well-rounded, reenactor knowledgable in various areas. Until we can get there more consistently, however, we should each be prioritizing our personal areas of improvement to get the most improvement in the things we do (or should do) the most.

Just one person's opinion.

[Pvt Peck]

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I really like what Chris Daley posted above. All the good kit, all the attention to detail in material culture, is just icing on the cake. Before you ice it, you must first make the cake itself and that is where your foundational research comes into play. We should all be more familiar with domestic animals, we should know the price of bread, we should know the names of the different types of carrige you would see on the street etc.. etc.. The newspaper reading is a GREAT idea, and boy can it be an eye opener. Chris you nailed, great suggestions. What I see as over represented in the hobby, actually in our society as a whole, is to much icing, not enough cake.

Edward Parrott

[YoungCampaigner]

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Hello All,

These are the problems I have noticed:

1.) There are currently too many Confederates and not enough Yankees. (I know that
this is more of a problem at mainstream events but it still exists in all parts of the
hobby.)

2.) More attention needs to be given to period hairstyles.

3.) More importance needs to be placed on field music (recognition of bugle calls,
drum calls, etc.)

4.) Most people need to brush up on millitary courtesy and rank recognition.

[CJDaley]

Every Day Life

Believe it or not, my pet peeve has nothing to do with hand sewn buttonholes, better patterns or authentic fabric, it is that most reenactors have very little base knowledge of civilian life.

Fact: 100% of Civil War soldiers were civilians first.

Before picking up a musket as a Civil War living historian I worked for several years at a 19th century living history museum. I interpreted the life of a pre-Civil War civilian. Spending those years researching every day life, reading pre-war newspapers, practicing trades, working on farms, feeding livestock and leisure activities gave me a base of knowledge that many of my fellow re-enactors didn't have at the time.

Of course, quiting your job and working at a 19th century living history museum may not be the most practical thing in the world simply to gain a better base of knowledge for your hobby, but there are several ways to make up for this.

Chris' 3 easy tips to better learning about 19th century life.

1) Read microfilm once a month. Head to your local library once a month. Find a local newspaper on micro-film and read one day's newspaper. Read it from cover to cover. Read the ads, the obits, the editorials...everything. Reading one pre-war newspaper per month will soon give you an invaluable base of knowledge.

2) Volunteer at museums twice a year. While you don't have to get a full time job at a living history museum, you can volunteer at one. Learn a trade, learn to farm, interpret a homestead, feed a pig. Anytime spent as a volunteer at a living history museum will not only help out that museum, but will give you an invaluable base of information. Don't think there is one in your area? Think again, try visiting the American Living History, Farm and Agriculture Museum's website to find one near you: http://www.alhfam.org Most importantly, please listen to the employees of the museum, don't just walk in there and tell them what you know as a reenactor, find out what they know.

3) Read The Expansion of Everyday Life, 1860-1876 Read this book. It's the Clif Notes to life in the mid-19th Century.

http://www.amazon.com/Expansion-Everyday-Life-1860-1876/dp/1557285969/ref=pd_sim_b_img_1

There are other books in this series as well, but this one will give allow you to focus on 'our' time period.

Being a better civilian means we'll be a better soldier. You don't have to go out and buy a top hat and frock to understand how much a loaf of bread costs in 1855.

[Rmhisteach]

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In general some of the answers o what would you like to see at events could be solved for amny of those on this site if they attended better events. In the last three years my pards and I have been attended "better" events. At these events attention is paid to details and the full expierence of the solider. I will never forget the vinegar ration at Ft. Donelson in2005 or being a captive at Ft. Pulaski last spring . The location helped but the research, commitment, and attitude of the participants create the effect.

Greg, I looked at the first person handbook. Great work!

RM

[Johnny Lloyd]

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My 2 cents...

I feel the most overlooked things in all areas in both mainstream AND the authentic hobby are the things that don't have a wide appeal unfortunately... even though certain things did factually happen, some things tend to become underrepresented if few people in the group like them, are politically unpopular, or think they are "cool" appealing. Even if something doesn't fit our modern perceptions it can become underrepresented and often overlooked.

See also Black Confederates, Southern Union Regiments, and femi-soldiers...

... the opposite of the above that are OVER-represented, you might ask?

Bedraggled Confederates, righteous -savior Union troops, farby "Scarlett-style belle of the ball", and General Lee/Abe Lincoln impersonators... LOL

For what it's worth- I feel we tend to study what we want to know and ignore wider research into topics/aspects of the war that we have little to no interest in... mea culpa in this too unfortunately.

Cheers- Johnny Lloyd :)

[cwbauer]

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I have never seen the document before. I think the most overlooked part is drill. Those men would have known it inside and out and I know I am no expert.
Chris Bauer

[Greg Barnett]

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Hello all,
My limited view of the hobby has shown one other thing I did not see mentioned yet: a personal history of the person being portrayed, and more specifically, ones occupation before enlisting. Many of us have picked a job and can say we were (farmer, mechanic, printer...etc.) but we don't know everything that a person so employed would know. I have given this a lot of thought and am just as guilty as anyone else. Thats not to say everyone has overlooked this detail. I think that as living historians, we should make an effort to know more about life as it was before the army and life as it continues at home, as well as the knowledge we have as soldiers. This would make for a much more "3-d" impression.

I am not sure from where I received this document and I by no means want to commit any plagiarism. If anyone knows the origin, please let me know so that credit can be given.

This is a good way to get your thoughts together for an impression. This can be helpful for a specific event, where the company or regiment is known. As Mr. O'Beirne said, " "The Man" is the hallmark of the best reenactors."

I believe that this form can be invaluable. From this form, one can develop the man.

[Kevin O'Beirne]

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a personal history of the person being portrayed, and more specifically, ones occupation before enlisting. Many of us have picked a job and can say we were (farmer, mechanic, printer...etc.) but we don't know everything that a person so employed would know.

Kevin,

You're quite right that this type of in-depth knowledge about "The Man" is the hallmark of the best reenactors. Fortunately, being a member of the group you are, you have the ready means nearby to acquire a good deal of this type of knowledge in a great, hands-on training environment: sign up for classes at the Genesse Country Village; that place is an unbelievable resource for folks looking to learn more about mid-Nineteenth Century life in small towns in upstate New York. :)

[Kevin O'Beirne]

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In regards to shaving with a straight razor, twice now i've been to Southern Guard events where someone in the ranks had the skills, expertise, proper technique to safely act as company barber and shave anyone who requested it.

Bill,

Indeed. The first time I got a (very good) shave at a reenactment was at Mumford NY in 1995 (from a then-member of the 140th NY reenactor group); got one at the Immortal 600 in 2002 (from a member of the Columbia Rifles), and one at Winter 1864 2006 (from another member of the Columbia Rifles). There'll be folks getting shaves at Winter 1864 2008 as well.

It's certainly done in the hobby, but as you note, it's probably under-represented. When the blade is sharp and polished properly on a strop, and the person using it knows what they're doing, a good shave at an event can be very relaxing. Frankly, the best one I got was the one at the "mainstream" event in 1995--I believe that was the sharpest razor; I almost went to sleep getting that shave--the fellow weilding the razor certainly knew his stuff when it came that particular department. :)

[kevin]

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Hello all,
My limited view of the hobby has shown one other thing I did not see mentioned yet: a personal history of the person being portrayed, and more specifically, ones occupation before enlisting. Many of us have picked a job and can say we were (farmer, mechanic, printer...etc.) but we don't know everything that a person so employed would know. I have given this a lot of thought and am just as guilty as anyone else. Thats not to say everyone has overlooked this detail. I think that as living historians, we should make an effort to know more about life as it was before the army and life as it continues at home, as well as the knowledge we have as soldiers. This would make for a much more "3-d" impression.