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    Adventures in Women’s Underwear OR What a Man Needs to Know about Dressing a Woman

    By Elizabeth Stewart Clark

    It is a typical scenario: a man comfortable in military impressions meets a nice woman. They fall in love, or at least deep like. He wishes to interest her in his fascinating hobby, and suggests she attend an event or two. She agrees, and he sets about finding some clothes for her to wear. That should be pretty easy, right? After all, she just needs a dress.

    That’s rather like saying a military impression just needs some sort of gun. Any gun, really. Squirt gun, Mauser, Jiminy Cricket rifle—a gun is a gun, isn’t it?

    The reality is, creating a functional, accurate woman’s wardrobe for the mid-century is a multi-step process, and should command just as much research and attention as creating an accurate military impression. This brief article serves as an overview only, but includes the basics of what to look for, and why.

    From the Skin Out

    A woman’s wardrobe is a system that works from the skin out. Fully dressed for a day or work or pleasure, the average working class woman (to be paired with an average private soldier, socially) will don:
    • Chemise: a white cotton undergarment with a wide neckline, short sleeves, and mid-thigh to knee length hem, cut full in the body.
    • Stockings: knee or above-knee length, natural fibers.
    • Garters: knit or elastic garters to support stockings; garters may be worn below or above the knee as a matter of personal preference.
    • Shoes: shoe or boot style appropriate for women.
    • Corset: the supportive undergarment, firming the torso and supporting the breasts. This needs to be custom-fit to her figure, and should not be purchased “off the rack”.
    • Drawers: white cotton, mid-calf hem, split crutch seam, full in the body.
    • Petticoat: mid-calf hem, moderately full-gathered (90” to 120” or so) on a fitted band.
    • Skirt support: small to moderate cage or hoop (85” to 115”), ending at mid-calf and set on a fitted waistband.
    • Underskirts: one to three full-gathered (150” to 180”) underskirts give loft to the dress and soften any hoop lines. (These are often well-starched.)
    • Dress: for the working class, typically a wool or printed cotton with a fitted bodice, bishop or shaped coat sleeves, high neckline, full skirts set onto the bodice. Dresses do need customized fitting, and are difficult to purchase off the rack.
    • White Accessories & Protective Accessories: white collar and cuff or undersleeve basted into the dress to protect it from body oil and grime. Neckerchiefs may be used for an active working impression (such as farming, cleaning, factory-work, etc). Half-aprons ending in a band at the waist, or pinner aprons with a pinned-up bib, are vital if there is work to be done. Remember, dresses are not so easily laundered as undergarments and accessory pieces. A functional mid-century wardrobe might have a total of three dresses, but seven or more sets of undergarments and accessory items.
    • Headwear: a sunbonnet, fashion bonnet, or warm winter hood, depending on environmental requirements.
    • Wrap: a large wool shawl with fringed hems all around is a very basic outer wrap for any wardrobe.

    Additional outer and undergarments may be required for cold weather.

    Every garment should be made in 100% natural fibers (silk, wool, cotton, or linen.) White cotton is very common for everyday undergarments, with the addition of wool flannel for cold weather undergarments.

    The wardrobe items should be acquired or made in the order listed above. Dresses come after all undergarments, as the dressmaker (whether at home or hired) needs to take measurements over all the underlayers for the most accurate fit. Indeed, reputable historic dressmakers will not usually make a bodice over an uncorseted figure.

    What To Look For

    Only a few highly-accurate women’s clothing makers attend events. The individualized nature of female clothing mid-century makes stocking accurate clothing fairly complex. Do Not Send Your Beloved To Merchant Row In Person or On-Line Without An Experienced Female Mentor. Doing so is a sure plan for spending a great deal of money on a great deal of useless farb, as the majority of merchants at non-juried-vendor events do not carry accurate items.

    Becoming an educated customer is vital, and the best way to do that is to follow the same process you used as a military person: view as many original garments and images as possible, and look for merchants who replicate those items as closely as possible. If a merchant advertises that they replicate garments, and has pictures of originals and their goods, evaluate the two very closely for consistency; some wishing to sell to history-heavy markets tout their “based on originals” status, but fail utterly in the execution, while others do a truly superb job.

    Beware any merchant using the following key words and characteristics:
    • Machine gauged skirts (this is not possible, mechanically)
    • Poly-cotton for easy care
    • Wool blend
    • Artificial silk
    • “Zouave” dress or “Garibaldi” dress, particularly if done in cotton prints
    • Dresses with less than 150” in the skirt circumference
    • Belts in cotton
    • Blouses for women
    • Tuck-in white bodices
    • Low-cost items with lace—it is sure to be polyester/nylon
    • Colored lace
    • Skirts sold un-hemmed
    • Only bust and waist measurements are requested
    • Drawstrings
    • Cotton print bodices separate from cotton print skirts
    • Solid-color cotton garments
    • Zippers, Velcro, or snaps at any point
    • Tent-grommets at back lacing closures
    • Images of the makers that look like “reenactors” rather than The Original Cast.

    What To Budget

    Women’s clothing requires a good amount of time. If you are buying ready-made or custom-sewn clothing, you can expect to pay for skilled labor rates on every item. If budget is a large concern, you or your beloved need to consider learning a few basic sewing skills, and making at least a portion of the wardrobe at home—undergarments such as chemise, drawers, and petticoats, are an ideal way to learn historic sewing.

    The average prices listed here are taken from the current listings of merchants whom I consider to have a high degree of accuracy and quality, with good-value pricing. Home sewing prices include a national-average cost for fabric allowances and patterns. See the Resource list at the end of the article for pattern companies.

    Chemises: $40-$70 each. Need not be custom cut in most cases and generally safe to purchase ready-made. If made at home with a purchased historic pattern, allow $25 for the first chemise, and $5 each after that.

    Drawers: $40-$65 each. Some degree of customization is necessary to accommodate individual body depth and inseam length. If made at home with a purchased historic pattern, allow $25 for the first pair of drawers, and $5 each after that.

    Corset: $100-$200. This is a highly individual garment, and needs to be custom cut and fit. It is very possible to learn to fit and construct a corset at home if you and your beloved are so inclined; see the Resource section for educational helps.

    Petticoats and Underskirts: $40-$80 each. These may need some slight customization, mostly in a fitted waistband measurements and length adjustment to suit her figure, but they can generally be safely purchase ready-made. Keep in mind that a full outfit needs one petticoat and one or more underskirts. Petticoats and underskirts do not require a purchased pattern (see the Resource section for free pattern options), and can be made at home for under $10 each.

    Skirt Support: cage crinolines and hoops, ready-made, run between $85 and $300. Along with the corset, this is another investment piece. Kits are available in the $70-$200 range, and patterns plus supplies will generally run around $60-$80.

    Dress: $150-$300 in labor, depending on the complexity of fitting and style demands, plus additional fabric costs.

    Accessories: $20-$30 for collars, cuffs, and undersleeves (each piece; most dressmakers give a small discount on matched sets); aprons in the $30-$50 range. Made at home, allow $20 for the first set of white accessories, $6 thereafter; $15 for the first apron, $5 thereafter.

    Headwear: $40-$60 sunbonnets; $110-$200 completed fashion bonnets; $60-$100 fashion bonnet blanks and semi-finished bonnets; $100-$200 winter hoods. Sunbonnets and winter hoods can be made very inexpensively ($5-$20) at home with purchased patterns or free on-line instructional materials.

    Wraps: a simple shawl can be made by those without sewing experience for the cost of two yards of wool fabric.

    Shoes: accurate repro shoes run between $80 and $150.

    Stockings: $6-$10 per pair

    Garters: $8-$20 per pair

    All told, if you are purchasing every garment from a highly-accurate merchant or seamstress, you’ll spend between $1070 and $1750 on a wardrobe for a weekend-long event (three sets chemise/drawers, one set petticoats, skirt support, corset, accessories, dress, outerwear).

    Blending specific purchases and homemade items, you’ll spend between $400 and $650.

    The more home-sewn items you’re willing to undertake, the lower the total can go—as low as $150 with careful planning.

    What If She Hates It?

    Yes, there is that possibility. Not every woman finds living history fascinating. There’s nothing wrong with having a separate hobby from your significant other—just be prepared for her to take up something with equal time and budget factors to your chosen obsession/hobby. If you have children, and wish this to be a family hobby, plan to adopt a citizen’s impression for at least a portion of your event weekends; otherwise, many women find their portion of the hobby to be Regular Life, Less Convenient, and you may encounter vast resistance.

    If there is any doubt in your mind that she will love the hobby, it is best to wait on acquiring a wardrobe. Instead, find a citizen-oriented group to take her under wing, and fit her out for an event or two from the loaner wardrobe box. (Be sure the citizen’s group is as focused on accuracy as your own group! After the work and expense of putting together an accurate military impression, don’t spoil it by stepping out with someone dressed in borrowed farbery.) Loaner clothing will not fit so well as her own wardrobe, but it’s a great way to get started, allowing her the fun of dressing out and getting to know people, with a much smaller budget outlay right at the first.

    Most citizen’s groups are happy to provide mentoring, and many have between-event sewing days and other activities designed to help your beloved create many of her own wardrobe items, even if she has no background in sewing.

    Women’s Wardrobe Resources
    Pattern Lines for Home or Hired Sewing

    Discussion Forums & Educational Opportunities

    Additionally, many dressmakers will teach sewing classes.

    It is not possible to list every available accurate dressmaker across the country. Do a search in the Citizen’s Discussion area on the Authentic-Campaigner, and you’ll find some commonly praised sewists; if you’d like an opinion on a sewist’s work, you may contact the author through The Sewing Academy forum, or the Authentic-Campaigner forum.

    And yes, this is the short, glossy overview. Women’s clothing encompasses a huge range and variety (we have no “uniform” to speak of!). There is something accurate for every personality and personal budget, but the undertaking is not a small one. Your beloved deserves as much consideration in her own things as you do in yours. Don’t fail her with farb.
    Last edited by Eric Tipton; 06-09-2019, 09:27 PM. Reason: Formatting
    Regards,
    Elizabeth Clark

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    Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

    This is a great article. Wish it had come about sooner. Thanks
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      Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

      Ms. Clark, thank you so much!

      After a break of several years, my wife is about to resume taking an active role in our, (my), "fascinating hobby". And as things have moved on considerably since she last attended an event with me, your post will give us the very best starting point to begin researching for her impression.

      Once again, thank you!

      Kind regards,
      Jim Smith, Volunteer Co., (UK)

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      • #4
        Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

        Once again, Mrs. Clark, you dazzle us heathens with more useful information than you can shake a stick at. I've been needing this for years!
        Chris R. Henderson

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        WIG/GVB
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        "Learning to fish for your own information will take you a lot further than merely asking people to feed you the info you want." ~Troy Groves:D

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        • #5
          Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

          You're all very welcome. Would it be helpful if I add some line drawings?
          Regards,
          Elizabeth Clark

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          • #6
            Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

            Mrs. Clark...

            Where was this article 4 years ago... ;) Much toil and suffering could have been spared by me had I read it.

            Thanks for the great read- Johnny Loyd
            Johnny Lloyd
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            Without research standards, there can be no authenticity.
            Without the attempt at authenticity, all is just a fantasy.
            Fantasy is not history nor heritage, because it never really existed." -Me


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            • #7
              Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

              Well, actually--all the information has been either in the Citizen's discussion area here on the AC, or on my site, or in articles I wrote for Citizen's Companion and The Watchdog. But a short summary is always helpful. :)
              Regards,
              Elizabeth Clark

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              • #8
                Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

                Originally posted by ElizabethClark View Post
                You're all very welcome. Would it be helpful if I add some line drawings?
                Elizabeth,

                Thank you so much for posting this. Your drawings would be very helpful, indeed. You've written great information for those just beginning and a reminder for the more experienced.

                For anyone who has never had the pleasure, Elizabeth has a wealth-of-information website with many more great articles, free patterns, and a helpful forum chock full of questions and answers by experienced, knowledgeable people. Treat yourself to some great reading!

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                  Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

                  Originally posted by ElizabethClark View Post
                  Well, actually--all the information has been either in the Citizen's discussion area here on the AC, or on my site, or in articles I wrote for Citizen's Companion and The Watchdog. But a short summary is always helpful. :)
                  Ha, serves me right for not delving into the "genteel side" of the forum. All the while I was talking to friends about the latest leather accoutrements, drill, etc... and the answers were right under my nose.



                  Thanks- Johnny Lloyd
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                  Without research standards, there can be no authenticity.
                  Without the attempt at authenticity, all is just a fantasy.
                  Fantasy is not history nor heritage, because it never really existed." -Me


                  Proud descendant of...

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                    Mr Lloyd, you're not alone--shockingly few men have ventured over, but all are welcome. :)

                    Kathy, I'll work on optimizing the diagrams and edit them in as attachments. Right now, they're HUGE image files, and would be boggy for all but the fastest connection.
                    Regards,
                    Elizabeth Clark

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                    • #11
                      Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

                      Originally posted by ElizabethClark View Post
                      Mr Lloyd, you're not alone--shockingly few men have ventured over, but all are welcome. :)
                      Ma'am-

                      Questioned manhood for many from his peers might be invoked if one prods amongst the ladies things for too long... LOL

                      ... But I fancy a look anyway despite the risks. Besides, it is for my wife anyway.

                      Thanks- Johnny Lloyd
                      Johnny Lloyd
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                      Without research standards, there can be no authenticity.
                      Without the attempt at authenticity, all is just a fantasy.
                      Fantasy is not history nor heritage, because it never really existed." -Me


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                      • #12
                        Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

                        Now, there you're wrong.

                        There's nothing MORE manly than seeking out the details on women and what they wear, think, do, etc... all the better to woo them, I'd say, and to understand exactly what layers and obstacles and fastenings and mysteries a fortunate man might encounter, should he be so blessed as to gain Extreme Favor with his beloved.

                        You thought figuring out a brassiere clasp was tough? Figure out seventeen cross-linked bodice hooks, five layers of waistband, and a steel-reinforced undergirding that buckles on one side, laces on the other, and if mishandled, could really put your eye out. You're going to want details on a mission like that. It's definitely manly.

                        (Or, as my massive wrestler friend J explained to the lightweight wrestler guys who wanted to pick on my baby brother for going out for dance & drill team: "We wrestle with other sweaty guys in spandex. He's got his hands on near-naked sweaty girls in spandex, all the time. Who's the fool, really?")

                        Seriously though--"citizen" is not the same as "has ovaries." Every single soldier mid-century was a citizen to begin with, and most would return to non-military life after the war. Best know where you come from, and where you're headed, and what's likely going on back home. Without it, you don't have a well-rounded military impression.
                        Regards,
                        Elizabeth Clark

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                          Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

                          Originally posted by ElizabethClark View Post
                          There's nothing MORE manly than seeking out the details on women and what they wear, think, do, etc....
                          Reminds me of an online conversation I had years ago with a fellow, who was only interested in military things and poo-pooed anything feminine or civilian as unworthy to learn. He said the man he portrayed was single, had been in the regular army all his adult life, and never lived around women, so there was no need for him to know about women's clothes.

                          I asked him, you (the man you portray) really never were interested in looking at women in town or when they came into camp? You never thought about what they were wearing under their dresses? You never imagined undressing them?

                          Nope. He just lived in army camps around men. None of that was important.

                          Okay... not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

                          Hank Trent
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                          Hank Trent

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                          • #14
                            Re: Adventures In Women's Underwear--What a Man Needs To Know

                            Elizabeth has posted yet another of her fascinating articles. It's well worth the read as she describes several ways to do things well on many different levels.



                            It's the first of several good articles on this page.


                            Thanks, Liz!

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