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  • IDing Originals to Units

    Hallo!

    Let's see how this goes?

    I have access to the Springfield Research Service's serial number (partial) registry system. As a FREE service to AC members and pards, I would be happy to search the issuance history of your originals.

    This will either fizzle, or I will get snowed under. Let's send up a trial balloon and see what happens? I am a game balloonist.

    Curt
    Curt Schmidt
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
    -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
    -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
    -Vastly Ignorant
    -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

  • #2
    Re: IDing Originals to Units

    Folks,
    The SRS database was once on-line and available free of charge. The database has information on thousands upon thousands of US martial arms, both before and after the Civil War, well into the 20th Century. If you have a military firearm with a serial number, this is an easy "first start" toward determining the provenance.

    In the world of collecting, you are always admonished to "buy the gun, not the story" because provenance can be tough to prove. Well, that's only true if your gun doesn't have a hit on the SRS database!

    I would encourage folks to take advantage of this!
    John Wickett
    Former Carpetbagger
    Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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    • #3
      Re: IDing Originals to Units

      OK Curt, I'm game. What do you have for a Burnside carbine (4th type) with a serial number 809?
      Paul McKee

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      • #4
        Re: IDing Originals to Units

        Hallo!

        809 is not in the SRS, but 810 is.

        810 is recorded as going to the Company "G," 14th PA Cavalry in 1864.

        This strikes me odd, as if it were a replacement as the majority of the 14th's Burnsides were issued in 1863 and were of the 13,XXX range and should be 4th Models. In theory...810 "should be" a 1st Model, but made in late November or early December 1861 which is in the 2nd Model manufacturing period.

        Curt
        Curt Schmidt
        In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

        -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
        -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
        -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
        -Vastly Ignorant
        -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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        • #5
          Re: IDing Originals to Units

          Thanks Curt. That low SN on a 4th model has always struck me as odd. Really don't know what to make of it...except that I'm grateful that the Burnside Arms Co serial numbered their production which allowed me to reclaim this piece after a burglary some 30+ years ago.
          Paul McKee

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          • #6
            Re: IDing Originals to Units

            Curt,

            Is there any information regarding a Spencer Rifle model 1860 with a serial number of 8340?

            Thanks,
            Scott Lyon

            Liberty Rifles

            Descendant of:
            Frank Lyon, Co. F. 151st PA
            Charles Lyon, Co. H. 10th PA Reserves, 190th PA
            Cpl. Henry Lyon, Co. H, 10th PA Reserves, 190th PA
            Edward Lyon, Co. H. 10th PA Reserves, 190th PA
            John P. Enos, 211th PA
            Abram Enos, Co. F. 151st PA, 13th NY Heavy Artillery
            Ephraim Enos, Co. H. 10th PA Reserves
            Nathaniel C. Enos, Co. K. 12th PA Cavalry

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            • #7
              Re: IDing Originals to Units

              Hallo!

              Sorry, no listing for 8340.

              But it does fall in the range of those rifles issued on April 8, 1865 to Company "G" of the 8th Indiana Cavalry. I suspect they may were an upgrade as the 8th is listed with Spencer rifles 1863-1864.
              And an 8XXX range rifle would have been made in October of 1863.

              Curt
              Curt Schmidt
              In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

              -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
              -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
              -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
              -Vastly Ignorant
              -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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              • #8
                Re: IDing Originals to Units

                Herr Schmidt,

                Lets try Smith Carbine #9666
                Regards,

                Phil Spaugy
                Union Guards
                Co. A
                19th Regiment
                Indiana Volunteer Infantry
                N-SSA

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                • #9
                  Re: IDing Originals to Units

                  Hallo!

                  No listing for 9666.

                  But.. it falls in the range issued on August 21, 1863 to Company "I" of the 3rd Maryland Cavalry.

                  Curt
                  Curt Schmidt
                  In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

                  -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
                  -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
                  -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
                  -Vastly Ignorant
                  -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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                  • #10
                    Re: IDing Originals to Units

                    Curt,

                    Thanks for being so kind to look up these. I will list the unit I have them ID's to but I'd love to know if you can confirm via your lists. Many thanks!

                    Item#
                    104 1860 Spencer Army Rifle Ser. # 7938, smooth barrel, case color on bands, ID'd to 8th Ind. Cav.
                    109 Colt Revolving Rifle Ser. # 7210, bright, stampings legible, 2nd MI Cav. Co L, at Franklin
                    110 New Model 1863 Sharps Rifle Ser. # C,37083, 2 cartouches, case color on frame, 6th Vet. Vol. Inf., Co E
                    121 Henry Repeating Rifle, 2nd Model Ser. # 4016
                    251 New Model 1863 Sharps Carbine Ser. # C19,934
                    252 Burnside Carbine, 4th Model Ser. # 2727, legible markings, 2 cartouches ID'd Co. L, 11th N.Y. Cav.
                    253 1860 Spencer Carbine Ser. # 30,449, 6th Ill. Cav., Co. K, at Franklin
                    254 Maynard Carbine, 2nd Model Ser. # 564, .50 cal., ID'd to 6th Ind. Cav., Co. L, at Franklin
                    255 Smith Carbine Ser. # 20,334, 11 Ill. Cav., Co. I
                    256 Wesson Carbine Ser. # 3713, marked "B. Kittredge & Co., Cincinnati O."
                    257 Gwyn & Campbell Carbine Ser. # 2788
                    258 Starr Carbine Ser. # 8171
                    259 Model 1860 Spencer Carbine Ser. # 12739
                    260 Sharps and Hankins Navy Carbine Ser. # 6391
                    351 Starr .44 cal. DA Army Revolver Ser. # 20312, sharp lettering, 2 cartouches, "B" stamped
                    352 Savage Navy Revolver Ser. # 10703
                    353 Remington New Model Army Revolver Ser. # 48263
                    354 Model 1851 Colt Navy Revolver Ser. # 70636
                    355 Model 1860 Colt Army Revolver Ser. # 48257, 12 Ohio Cav., Co. K
                    356 Smith and Wesson Model No. 2 Ser. # 15075
                    357 Model 1849 Colt Pocket Revolver Ser. # 99883, 4" bbl
                    358 Model 1862 Colt Police Revolver Ser. # 16435, 4" bbl
                    359 Remington .31 Cal. Pocket Revolver Ser. # 11385
                    360 Manhattan Revolver Ser. # 23746
                    361 Whitney Revolver Ser. # 4736
                    364 Bacon Revolver Ser. # 822
                    365 Smith & Wesson Model #2 Ser. # 43663

                    Where would you send me to look up CS manufactured handguns?

                    Thanks for your help!
                    Matt Woodburn
                    Retired Big Bug
                    WIG/GHTI
                    Hiram Lodge #7, F&AM, Franklin, TN
                    "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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                    • #11
                      Re: IDing Originals to Units

                      Greetings Herr Schmidt,

                      Don't know if you are still offering this service on the AC as it's a bit over a year since last post, but if so, would you be so kind as to look up a Burnside 3rd Model with S/N 11243?

                      My thanks in advance,

                      Travis
                      Travis C. Hébert
                      -------------------------
                      Armory Guards / W.I.G.
                      ACWRT,GBA,CWT
                      -------------------------
                      "Flag taking was pretty well knocked out of me" Lt Wm. Pennington, 6th Wisconsin, Co. I

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                      • #12
                        Re: IDing Originals to Units

                        Herr Schmidt:

                        I have serveral more, if you are still looking up serial numbers:

                        Smith Carbine, # 2823
                        Sharps Carbine, # 87574
                        Remington New Model Revolver (so called "1858"), # 108554

                        Sharps New Model 1859 infantry rifle, # 57337 This one is in the range of the 2nd U.S. Sharpshooter regiment, and has one of the 2,000 barrels inspcted for the Sharpshooter rifles. But, it only has a single trigger, as did some of the last ones produced by Sharps for the Sharpshooters. Due to declining manpower -- combat casualties, disability, disease, and desertion -- not all 2,000 weapons were issued to the Sharpshooters. Some later went to the Pennsylvania Bucktails (42nd Pennsylvania Infantry) and the 2nd Veteran Volunteers. It would be interesting to know if this serial has come up since Springfield went off-line.

                        Regards,
                        Don Dixon

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                        • #13
                          Re: IDing Originals to Units

                          Hello Herr Schmidt,
                          I have a Smith Carbine S/N 2925
                          If you're still doing serial number checks for us, I greatly appreciate it!

                          Thanks,
                          Charles McCormack
                          Charles McCormack

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                          • #14
                            Re: IDing Originals to Units

                            Originally posted by Curt Schmidt View Post
                            Hallo!

                            Let's see how this goes?

                            I have access to the Springfield Research Service's serial number (partial) registry system. As a FREE service to AC members and pards, I would be happy to search the issuance history of your originals.

                            This will either fizzle, or I will get snowed under. Let's send up a trial balloon and see what happens? I am a game balloonist.

                            Curt
                            Curt -
                            First, I would like to thank you for offering this service and I hope it is still available.
                            I have a "barn find" in the form of a Maynard Carbine Model-2, the barn being my office where I have been using it as a bookend for 40+ years. It appears to have spent at least 50 years prior as a wall hanging in a bar & grill before it was gifted to me in the '60s. A quick check by my gunsmith says it is probably NRA VG condition with a very bright bore, 90+% bluing and intact cartouches on the stock.

                            I would greatly appreciate any historic records that you might be able to obtain on this Maynard carbine with serial number 9914.
                            There are also the letters A.J.N stamped into the left side of the barrel directly above the "Edward Maynard" identification on the frame. These letters appear to have been stamped or engraved with a fixture since they are perfectly in line, spaced and parallel to the bore. The font is similar but slightly larger than the stamped identification of the frame.

                            Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.

                            Fred Staudinger
                            Fred Staudinger

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