Projected Manassas temperature

[Hank Trent]

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Not going myself, but I'll just add a suggestion:

Actually calculate the amount of electrolytes you're getting. Look on the bottle of vinegar or molasses or the jar of pickles, if that's your go-to source, and see how many milligrams per serving it has of actual sodium or potassium (the top two, but read some medical discussions for marathoners and ultra runners to find out more about minor ones). Estimate how many servings you'll be consuming and multiply. Look up the recommended amount you need for exercise in the heat. It'll be in the thousands of miligrams, well over 3K a day for both. I planned my diet for In the Van to include over 5K of each a day.

The difference in the amount depending on the exact product may be huge.

I mail-ordered Wholesome Sweeteners molasses because it has 740 mg potassium per tablespoon, while Grandma's brand at the local store has less than a quarter of that. If that would be your main source of potassium, for example, the difference between the guy next to you getting 4000 mg a day and you getting 1000 mg a day is going to make all the difference in whether you're keeping ahead of the electrolytes you're sweating out. The bottle of store-bought apple cider vinegar sitting in my cupboard here has 0, count 'em, 0 electrolytes. Maybe y'all have a source of vinegar that supplies some, but that doesn't mean the guy who grabs a bottle off the shelf will get the same amount.

Gambling that the placebo effect will work isn't worth it.

Hank Trent
hanktrent@gmail.com

[lwtaggart]

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Whatever it takes Huck! For some it will make the diffence at the end of the day.

George Taggart

[Huck]

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So I take it, we should swipe a watermelon or two from the officers mess?

[lwtaggart]

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A very goiod means to quickly hydrate the body is watermelon. Not only the hydration effect but, it serves as a detox from things like caffeine and alcohol. Packed with vitamin C and licopene. Can be kept at room temperature. Also period correct and in seasson right now.

George Taggart

[ohpkirk]

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I'm not attending the event, and haven't followed this thread, but coming from a part of the country that has been in triple digits since late March I have some experience with events of this nature. The three biggest tips/hints/whathaveyou are:

Drink water even if you aren't thirsty, don't down a canteen...small sips every now and then.

Eat small meals of light food. I would recommend cooking your rations the first night and eating throughout the day.

If you feel yourself getting overheated and have access to ice (no matter how you paint it, this is still a circus. There will be someone around with a cooler of ice) take a cube of ice and put it on the jugular vein on your neck. This will cool your body off very quickly. I've done it in the past while building fences in 106+ weather with no ill effects.

Though if you are this worried about the heat, it is a pretty good indication that you haven't been acclimating yourself prior to the event.

[Milliron]

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Good point, Johnny!

Pat Landrum's Vicksburg NPS LH event in 2007 was one of the best events I've ever attended. It was hot. It was humid. The chiggers were mean. The commissary served rat. Yeah, I was uncomfortable... to the extreme. But I was not sick. I did not become a heat casualty. We all need to know the difference between being sick from the heat and when you're just sick of being uncomfortable.

- I encourage all in the former category to let his pards and NCOs know ASAP.
- However, I would encourage all in the latter category to stick it out. Its late July in Virginia... you knew it would be hot. You will be with your pards in the first large event of the 150's. Embrace the suck!

VIVA LA SUCK!!!

It must be time to break this out:

[teufelhund]

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Another period correct "energy drink" is to mix some apple cider vinegar and honey with water. It is actually very tasty.

[GrumpyDave]

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If you didn't start any of these suggestions last week, it's too late.

[LibertyHallVols]

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6) EXPECT DISCOMFORT. Being a real soldier in a hot warzone is hard and VERY uncomfortable. I know this from Iraq where temps got up to 120 degrees F routinely and mission didn't stop. You will get but a small potential taste of such conditions (other than bullets) this weekend.

Good point, Johnny!

Pat Landrum's Vicksburg NPS LH event in 2007 was one of the best events I've ever attended. It was hot. It was humid. The chiggers were mean. The commissary served rat. Yeah, I was uncomfortable... to the extreme. But I was not sick. I did not become a heat casualty. We all need to know the difference between being sick from the heat and when you're just sick of being uncomfortable.

- I encourage all in the former category to let his pards and NCOs know ASAP.
- However, I would encourage all in the latter category to stick it out. Its late July in Virginia... you knew it would be hot. You will be with your pards in the first large event of the 150's. Embrace the suck!

VIVA LA SUCK!!!

[Eric Fair]

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The only thing that I would add here is that if you haven't already started, you should be drinking water now. Try to bring a sports bottle with you to work or something similar and down it. If you try to "catch up" at the event, you'll have problems.

And, as others have said, if you're stuck at a desk job or indoors, try to at least go out at lunch or after work and take a brisk walk at least once a day - get your body used to working in the heat.

[GreencoatCross]

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While I work indoors without air conditioning, I am not very accustomed to being outdoors in temperatures or humidity as high as predicted for Manassas. I've been to hot, humid, stagnant-air events but nothing quite like this may be. I'm bringing a bottle or spare canteen of concentrated swichel which is vinegar, molasses, some sugar, and ginger, which can be diluted with water for a really thirst-quenching drink. Of course excellent, common sense suggestions have been shared but this is another in-period suggestion that you might try.

[Dale Beasley]

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With all the points that Johnny made in the above post, another thing we learned in Iraq was watch your skin and the color of your urine. Those two things will give you an early warning.

[dirtyshirt]

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All great points fellas (and Ladies). Beck brought up a good point, that if you feel like you're on the brink of becoming a heat casualty, please don't push it. Just step to the side and take a knee and catch your breath. To Tyler's point, it only takes a second to cross that point of no return.

Weather here in Iowa has been over 100 degrees the last 3 days, and will continue to be so until Thursday. Humidity has been over 80%. I spent as much time as I could outside this weekend, and will be doing the same until we depart for VA on Thursday. Hopefully it won't be AS humid next weekend in VA. Take care of yourselves!

[Johnny Lloyd]

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From being in Iraq in actual combat for 14 months, I can safely say:

1) Hydrate constantly (know if you are overdoing it, though)
2) Cool water is best. Cold water on occasion and in smaller quantities.
3) Know how much you sweat- I am one to heavily sweat. I need just about a little more water than your average man. You might need so if you are like me also.
4) Use some vinegar in some form as an electrolyte. Don't overdo this either.
5) A damp cloth is a good friend.
6) EXPECT DISCOMFORT. Being a real soldier in a hot warzone is hard and VERY uncomfortable. I know this from Iraq where temps got up to 120 degrees F routinely and mission didn't stop. You will get but a small potential taste of such conditions (other than bullets) this weekend.
7) Your body is used to going in and out of air conditioning and comforts of modern day life- 150 years ago, people were not. Know your limits. Know your comrade's limits. Check each other constantly for symptoms of heat injury. Found here: http://www.thestretchinghandbook.com...t-injuries.php
8) Identify EMT/First Responders/Combat Medically-trained personnel in your group and know where they might be in case a you or a comrade falls ill.
9) Don't get carried away with the fun to get unsafe. If you see a person doing something unsafe, thell them nicely to stand down and regain his military bearing. Report safety violations to your NCOs and make the chain-of-command work as it is supposed to.

WE ARE ALL SAFETY OFFICERS- KNOW YOUR PART.

All the best- Johnny Lloyd

[hireddutchcutthroat]

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I have an outdoor job and am used to working in all kinds of weather. I highly recommend steering clear of ice, and drinking cool not cold water.