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    No comment. I'll let you draw your own conclusions about the objectivity of this article. Actual link at the NY Times is:

    Article on 20th-century war re-enactors who participate in numerous weekend events across US each year; there are about 6,000 re-enactors, mostly white, mostly males who dress as American, Russian or German soldiers or Vietcong; more than 90 percent of re-enactors are civilians and nearly 33 percent have some military experience, including a few World War II, Korean War and Vietnam veterans; photos (M)


    Playing Wars Whose Wounds Are Fresh


    Photograph by Kenneth Dickerman for The New York Times
    Nathan Long plays a member of the United States Army's Ninth Infantry Division at the annual World War II Re-enactment Weekend in Batavia, Ill.


    By JENNY THOMPSON

    Published: June 5, 2004

    Kenneth Dickerman
    David Pacanowski as another member of the Ninth Infantry.


    BATAVIA, Ill. — Near a smoldering campfire on the grounds of Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 1197, 20 men were standing dressed in German World War II uniforms. After a heavy morning rainstorm that had flooded their campsite near the banks of the Fox River, they were drying out.

    Along with two dozen other re-enactors portraying American and British forces, they had gathered here, 40 miles west of Chicago, to participate in the Seventh Annual World War II Re-enactment Weekend. Lines of tents, a 1940's VW bug, a jeep and displays of period weapons and equipment were set up, ready for the spectators.

    "We're out here to celebrate Memorial Day and give the public a taste of what life was like for the soldiers," said Dave Fornell, 32, who was portraying a German.

    Mr. Fornell's unit, the 353rd German Infantry Division, is part of the World War II Historical Re-enactment Society, a co-sponsor of this event, along with the V.F.W. In real life, Mr. Fornell is a newspaper reporter.

    Jennifer Garden, 27, works as a sign-language interpreter. She was spending the weekend dressed as a German helferin, or helper. "You dress up in this uniform," Ms. Garden said, "and get to stand out here and tell other people about history, which I love."

    Later the soldiers waged a mock battle that ended in victory for the Americans.

    Civil War re-enactors are, of course, well known, having been famously portrayed as oddball history nuts in Tony Horwitz's book "Confederates in the Attic." But the re-enactment of battles from more recent wars like World War II and Vietnam, with some participants playing Nazis or Vietcong, has a different flavor. For real survivors, some whose memories are still raw, the safe historical distance collapses.

    The events also raise troubling questions. Is this an acceptable representation of war or a parody? Many people would shudder at the thought of taking an M-16 and donning fatigues to go on a fake search-and-destroy mission to honor those who fought in Vietnam. And surely, joining a simulated German Panzer unit to roam the woods in a kübelwagen and shoot blanks is a far cry from more traditional ways of commemorating World War II.

    Some historians are quick to condemn the practice. Battle re-enactments "are nothing but mere titillation, meaningless amateur dramatics promoting the postmodern simulacrum, a hazy image of a manipulated and trivialized past," Kevin Walsh writes in "The Representation of the Past: Museums and Heritage in the Postmodern World" (Routledge, 1992).

    I spent seven years trying to figure out the motivations behind this avocation. I interviewed and surveyed re-enactors, dressed in uniform and joined several units to participate in numerous events. I slept in the woods, invaded Virginia Beach, Va., during the 50th anniversary of the Normandy invasion and on another occasion was captured, interrogated and "executed" by a band of German soldiers in the Maryland woods.

    What I found is that there are now about 6,000 mostly white, mostly male 20th-century war re-enactors who belong to official units across the country. They dress as Doughboys, Russian soldiers, German nurses and Vietcong. They own tanks, jeeps and rifles. And on any given weekend, not just that of Memorial Day, they perform simulated war in public settings.

    There is also a distinctly private side to 20th-century re-enactments, which first developed as a hobby in the 1970's. Across the country, re-enactors hold weekend-long events that are closed to spectators. One remote Pennsylvania site owned by World War I re-enactors even has a fake, bombed-out French town, along with an intricate network of trenches, look-out posts, a cemetery and a no-man's-land strewn with battle debris. It's here that re-enactors try to get a sense of the horror of the Great War.

    While more than 90 percent of re-enactors are civilians, nearly one-third have some military experience; a few are even World War II, Korean War and Vietnam veterans. More than 80 percent of re-enactors say they are related to people who served in the wars they re-enact. Some joined the military after pursuing the hobby. But nearly all re-enactors stress that they do not want to be in the military nor do they want to experience real war. They want to re-enact.

    Raised in a culture that allows them to fantasize about war, almost all had played army games in childhood, and have read about battles and watched war movies ever since. But despite all the movies, books and relatives who are veterans, their interest in war is not satisfied. They remain enthralled by war's mystery. Re-enacting, they believe, is the only way to glimpse that experience themselves.

    "To do it for real, you'd get killed," said one participant I interviewed for a book on re-enactors. He re-enacts both world wars and Vietnam and asked that his name not be used. "It's not like playing tennis, you know. You can play tennis for real and not get hurt. But if you want to try to get a sample of what war was like without getting killed, this is about as close as you're going to be able to do it."

    Privately, these re-enactors argue endlessly over how far to go to achieve authenticity, debating everything from the sex to the race to the weight of the participants. But they do agree on one thing: they cannot recreate real war. Many even say that the term re-enactment is inaccurate. In their private events, rather than re-enact specific battles, they create a kind of generic war setting in which they live, and fight, for a while. As a result, World War I and Vietnam events can be surprisingly similar. In all re-enactments, the participants fight, talk, joke and hang out together. And as one re-enactor in my book puts it, "everybody dies."

    Emphasizing neither politics nor nationality, they focus on the details: uniforms, weapons, drills. That is why dressing up as a Nazi or a Vietcong soldier does not seem to bother most re-enactors. To them soldiers are not ideologues or saviors. Instead, their mythic common soldier, whether a private or an officer, is a victim, a pawn used by politicians. But the soldier is also a kind of antihero, a noble everyman — or woman — who sacrifices and suffers.

    "It was war," said one re-enactor in an online discussion in 1998. "Politicians started it, soldiers fought it and the world's people paid for it. To fault a soldier for the ideal of the government he serves is the same as blaming a hammer for driving a crooked nail."

    The version of war that is generally played out is a curious blend of traditions. The heroic "good war" image of World War II is tinged with the sense of futility often associated with Vietnam. There is both horror and honor, waste and sacrifice.

    But ultimately, it is the power to represent history that most captivates 20th-century re-enactors. Raised on a litany of war stories, they can now put on authentic uniforms and tell their own tales.

    Critics of the hobby say re-enactors have not earned the right to do this. In their view there is something inherently disrespectful in re-enactors' wearing military uniforms. A former National Park Service official, Dwight F. Rettie, criticizes re-enactments in "Our National Park System: Caring for America's Greatest Natural and Historic Treasures" (University of Illinois, 1995), arguing that they "trivialize the horror and reality of war and, for young people and children in particular, they convey a false impression of war's terrible effects."

    But part of the impulse to re-enact seems to be a desire to control war's legacy by owning it. As the historian George L. Mosse says in "Fallen Soldiers: Reshaping the Memory of the World Wars" (Oxford University Press, 1990), depicting war, whether through images, toys or games is "one way of coping with war, not by exalting and glorifying it, but by making it familiar."

    Having consumed images of war for so long, re-enactors now enjoy the power to create their own representations, ones that center on themselves. In my research one World War II re-enactor explained this lure: "No other collection that I can think of — like stamps or coins — you can't just shrink yourself into a stamp and put yourself in the book and go, you know, `Oh, look! I'm a stamp!' Right? I mean this is something that you can actually collect and actually show off."

    Mr. Fornell, the reporter and re-enactor, thinks of it as a more public-spirited endeavor. "It's up to us, as re-enactors," he said, "to help carry on that history, and also to pass on that information to the next generation."


    Jenny Thompson is the author of "War Games: Inside the World of 20th-Century War Re-enactors" (Smithsonian Institution Press, 2004).

    [END QUOTE]
    ***********************

    Regards,

    Mark Jaeger
    Regards,

    Mark Jaeger

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    Re: New York Times reenacting article

    Interesting article, and I thought it relatively even-handed. The one thing missing was the voice of a reenactor who could have said, "Y'know, it's kind of silly, but I do it because parts of it DO give me a glimpse of the life of the common soldier, and, after all, I do this to educate myself, so I view those gimpses as worthwhile."

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      Re: New York Times reenacting article

      Just a little thought. Society isn't all great, just like reenacting. You get the best and worst of some. If there is no one to honor the millions that served then what those millions served and died for will go without any purpose. How we enjoy ourselves (in terms of non-reenacting) today was a result of someone/something. At least in LH, they cause people not to forget the past.

      Sort of like the U of I and Chief Illiniwek. Some Indians don't like it, some do. If he is gone, then what does Illinois mean? At least ignorant people know Illinois and the Chief have something to do with Native Americans, and not some teen idol or popular garbage today. I say, "Oskee Wow Wow!"
      Mark Krausz
      William L. Campbell
      Prodigal Sons Mess of Co. B 36th IL Inf.
      Old Northwest Volunteers
      Agents Campbell and Pelican's Military Goods

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      • #4
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        Well said, gents. Besides, for as long as there has been conflict there has also been a re-creation or interpretation of it, in some form or another. This likely dates from earliest recorded history! Og, you're such a farb-- why didn't you kill that thing with a spear.....

        Rich Croxton
        Rich Croxton

        "I had fun. How about you?" -- In memory of Charles Heath, 1960-2009

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        • #5
          Re: New York Times reenacting article

          Maybe this was mentioned earlier, but I felt like she didn't personally like it. Her most powerful quotes were against reenacting (and she always spelled it "re-enacting", as if it's been new). Even Civil War folks were called "nuts" without question. I felt she was judging the reenacting community rather harshly.

          I read somewhere that Vietnam vets were the ones who started Vietnam reenacting (I know a Vietnam era Green beret who does Civil War and WW 2). And that a visitor to a German camp (WW2) who was an American WW2 vet said that he was glad that someone was portraying the Germans without being cartoonish charicatures (my words). Besides, you can't have WW2 without Germans and Japanese, right? And, what a treasure to be able to have those vets still around to ask what they experienced and felt in person.

          Besides, why should an interest in recreating history stop at 1900?

          I think the way she should approach it is through the model of like a Christmas pageant. Not in a demeaning way, either, but a pageant is story carried out by non-professional actors who both seek to understand and convey an understanding to others, not just of the events, but of the ideas around them. As well as remember and honor the sacrifices of those who did serve, and teach history in a way that average people (especially young ones) might be more apt to remember.

          Further, tonight I just got back from the first session of the Kansas Chatauqua, in which Frederick Douglass was the speaker. But the other speakers introduced themselves, including the guy protraying Sen. David Atchison, a pro-slavery politician (and Border Ruffian) during the Bleeding Kansas era. How could one have a complete understanding of the era without having him as well? Not that any of us today think slavery should exist, but we must remember all of history.

          This isn't to say that the German reenactors have to act like Nazi fanatics (because many in the German military weren't...), but their presence reminds us all that people are sometimes caught up in things bigger than themselves, sometimes forced, and sometimes those causes are less than worthy. Maybe put in the simple terms of the article, somebody's gotta play the "bad" guy, and just because they relish that role doesn't make them a bad person, or even in agreement with some of the less desirable ideas of that person.

          Just a "few" thoughts. Sorry to go on so long...

          Joanna Norris Grimshaw
          [FONT=Trebuchet MS]Joanna Norris Forbes[/FONT]

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            Here's what I have to say,"The past is the torch that lights our way".She seems like the type of person to say that it's his-story.Heck,I bet ya that the ones to start CW reenacting back in the 50s were WWII vets.History books only do alittle,so she needs to understand that the 20th Cent. reenactors do this to tell the story of that great time.Heck,I guess she must like G&Gs.
            Cullen Smith
            Cullen Smith
            South Union Guard

            "Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake"~W.C. Fields

            "When I drink whiskey, I drink whiskey; and when I drink water, I drink water."~Michaleen Flynn [I]The Quiet Man[/I]

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            • #7
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              Like Kevin said, all and all it was a pretty good article. As a Living Historian for the Civil War I get alot of personal gratification from what I do in this hobby by showing others what I do.
              Im a retired vet myself and have seen the horrors and senseless waste that war can bring. I dont try to ever hide the past nor gloss over it. The past needs to be remembered so we shall not repeat our mistakes.
              Its our job as Living Historians to filter what we show the public and the way we present ourselves. I have chosen not to wear a cowboy hat carry a polyester star and bars and run around yelling "The south shall rise again". Ive dedicated myself to being a generic southern man who is fighting for a set of beliefs and ideals that history no longer teaches and amazes the general public that folks 140 years ago really thought that way.
              We as Living Historians have recieved press both good and bad over the years. Its the dedication, knowledge, and how we present ourselves to the public that shall detiremine for the most part how the public views us.
              Dusty Lind
              Running Discharge Mess
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              Texans did this. Texans Can Do It Again. Gen J.B. Hood

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