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  • Re: Perryville AAR

    I can't exactly contribute to this part of the conversation, since I'm far from expert on the details of an authentic military impression and I didn't attempt to approach the camps. Though I'd like to say that I thought the military side of things looked good to me. I was very impressed with the long columns of well-drilled, disciplined CSA troops I saw marching by while we ladies were waving handkerchiefs. Nice touch, lifting the hats and presenting bouquets!

    I was equally stirred by the sight of the USA artillery silhouetted against the sky. From what I could see, I thought the fellows of both sides responded quickly and efficiently to orders. The Living History group did an outstanding job and presented an accurate and very useful educational scenario for the visitors. They're to be commended. Judging from the intelligent questions from the spectators & the lively discussion, I thought that was very well done indeed.

    I was also impressed with the fact that most -- well, let's say at least 80% -- of the civilians pulled together a workable impression. I won't go into detail because it's not relevant to this side of the forum, but the only major mistakes & problems I witnessed were not by participants, but rather by the town residents who "dressed up" to see the reenactment (as far as I could tell, anyway.)

    My sense was that the scenes that were set up (the village, the minstrel shows, the Sanitary Commission, etc) were nicely done and conducive to a good period display. As I mentioned elsewhere, I think the children had it just about right, and they were (for me) one of the high lights of the event. Anyway, just my two cents. I can't classify the event as one thing or another, for reasons stated above, but I did think that there were many instances of excellent impressions and scenarios.
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      Originally posted by PogueMahone
      So, yeah, I think that if you attended Perryville and you weren't supporting the AoP, you were a mainstreamer. It's harsh, but that is what I think.

      .02,
      I think calling anyone who didin't attend with unit x or y a mainstreamer is painting with a pretty broad brush. I didn't come with the AoP, because I don't have a Federal impression. My unit is a mess of three guys. Some of us asked around for a good, authentic CS unit for quite a while before the event. The unit we found was the CS provost. They had good kits, no canvas, and were good guys to hang out with. Everything my mess had at the event we marched in with Friday night. My sleeping gear consisted of one blanket, thats it. I don't think I should get labeled something because of who camped within sight of me. We camped where we had to. Camping a half mile from the rest of the guys wasn't exactly an option. I agree that alot of mainstreamers are using this forum now, but some of the remarks being made against them are being pretty broad.
      Derek Carpenter
      Starr's Battery

      "First at Bethel, farthest at Gettysburg and Chickamauga, last at Appomattox"

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        Originally posted by NC5thCav
        I think calling anyone who didin't attend with unit x or y a mainstreamer is painting with a pretty broad brush. I didn't come with the AoP, because I don't have a Federal impression. My unit is a mess of three guys. Some of us asked around for a good, authentic CS unit for quite a while before the event. The unit we found was the CS provost. They had good kits, no canvas, and were good guys to hang out with. Everything my mess had at the event we marched in with Friday night. My sleeping gear consisted of one blanket, thats it. I don't think I should get labeled something because of who camped within sight of me. We camped where we had to. Camping a half mile from the rest of the guys wasn't exactly an option. I agree that alot of mainstreamers are using this forum now, but some of the remarks being made against them are being pretty broad.
        Some of my pards have made some pretty harsh statements. I think we should be talking about our experience and not comparing ourselves and methods to others or judging others. We did it our way they did it their way. So what? I get tired of reading about how one group is better than another and we did it right and no one else did. Why not just describe what we did, how we felt, leave out the comparisions with other groups, avoid judgmental comments, invite others to come play with us in the future and leave it at that?
        Jerry Gouge
        1st Georgia Regulars

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          Jerry,
          You are so right. This type of conflict is not good for anything, especially this hobby.

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            Jerry,

            Some guy on the "other forum" trumpeted that Perryville was a great example of mainstream and progressive combining in the field and everyone getting along. He pointed to this thread on the AC as his evidence of such. So, I come over here and read this and find mainstreamers boasting of mainstream deeds.

            That guy thinks that, because these people are posting over here, all these posters are progressives. How many others think that? Obviously, many of the posters here think the same thing.

            I think it needs to be clarified. That's all.

            Derek,

            Yes, it is a broad brush. I usually don't do that. But the plank is wide and I need to cover as much surface as I can at one time.

            No huge or hidden agenda here. Just trying to get the truth out there.
            Joe Smotherman

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              Gee and sometimes campaigners wonder why others think we're difficult to work with. All folks need to say in this stuff is the opinion of an event, but it turns into "No we're better, YOU SUCK!" type pre school garbage that makes me want to sell the closet full of stuff that ties me to this part time idiotfest.
              Patrick Landrum
              Independent Rifles

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              • Re: Perryville AAR

                Originally posted by PogueMahone
                Jerry,

                Some guy on the "other forum" trumpeted that Perryville was a great example of mainstream and progressive combining in the field and everyone getting along. He pointed to this thread on the AC as his evidence of such. So, I come over here and read this and find mainstreamers boasting of mainstream deeds.

                That guy thinks that, because these people are posting over here, all these posters are progressives. How many others think that? Obviously, many of the posters here think the same thing.

                I think it needs to be clarified. That's all.

                Derek,

                Yes, it is a broad brush. I usually don't do that. But the plank is wide and I need to cover as much surface as I can at one time.

                No huge or hidden agenda here. Just trying to get the truth out there.
                I have not been monitoring the other forums. I understand where you are coming from. I am not concerned with what others call themselves. Joe you and I know what we are and how we go about it, shouldn't that be enough? Unless people go to the TAGs, Fighting Withdrawals, Pickett's Mills, Outposts, Port Gibsons, Immortal 600s, AoP at Perryville, etc. it will be difficult for them to understand. Our picking at them and denigrating their efforts will only serve to close their ears. If we describe our experiences to such an extent that it piques their curiosity they may venture out to join us and find out what we are talking about. Then and only then will they know the difference. Until then as long as each of us feels that we are progressing toward being more authentic the hobby is moving forward. To me that is a good thing. Would I like the progression to move faster, yes. But everyone moves at their own pace. Sometimes I think we make things too difficult for others. We do not think about how long it took for us to reach our epiphany. We want others to transform immediately and condemn them for not seeing everything as we do. All we can do is be the best we can be, consult and answer questions when people inquire and create an environment at the events and portions of events we control that leads others to want to move toward our end of the reenactor authenticity continuum. Bit by bit, day by day.
                Jerry Gouge
                1st Georgia Regulars

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                  Originally posted by NC5thCav
                  I think calling anyone who didin't attend with unit x or y a mainstreamer is painting with a pretty broad brush. I didn't come with the AoP, because I don't have a Federal impression...
                  Derek, With that said, this discussion wouldn't apply to you since you don't have a Fed. impression and did C.S. at Perryville. IF you had fallen in as a Federal with the "Union Brigade" and not with the AoP then you would have been subject to this debate. I agree with Joe and Jim on this topic. Just so you know where I'm coming from on this, I marched with Western Brigade at several events between 92' and 98' then I marched with the AoP for two years before starting to ride as a courier/escort with/for the AoP command which I have been doing for the last four years.

                  It doesn't matter if you have a totally hand-sewn kit, sleep on the ground with no tents, and look like you walked out of 1862, if you are still in a mainstream mindset then your'e still mainstream. I have several friends in the Western Brigade that have good kits but they refuse to leave their friends who will not progress, therefore they are stuck in mainstream as they to refuse to progress, in this case past their friends impressions... a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, in this case our chain is our impressions, our comrades and our mindsets. We are not the best at what we do (that would have been the original boys from the 1860's,) but we're a damn close second. When ration issuse are Division wide, there are no cots for the enlisted, everyone can march in with what they can carry (in one trip), and there are no longer dead animal parts on hats and uniforms, then we will actually be making progress in the hobby as a whole...
                  Sincerely, TEH
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                    Jerry,

                    You make a good argument.

                    On the other hand, I think it is good that this issue has come to the surface for people to discuss. Sometimes you have to air dirty laundry.
                    Joe Smotherman

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                    • Re: Perryville AAR

                      So besides that what did you think of the event? How about some stories of what you enjoyed and would like to see in the future and we can put down the mud we are slinging?
                      Dusty Lind
                      Running Discharge Mess
                      Texas Rifles
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                      • Re: Perryville AAR

                        I am ever impressed by the in-camp sutlery that Mr. Dunfee and his pards of the AoP put together. It really adds to the event and allows us to pick up some correctly packaged haversack stuffers. I was able to pick up another (I have a thing for pens) Patent Jan. 3, 1860 dipping pen, some Perforated Paper made by Albany Perforated Wrapping Paper Co. - Albany, NY (just the thing for those nice sinks we had in camp) and one Charles Bartholomae's Army Folding Knife, Fork and Spoon Combination (extra nice quality and better than you typically find on sutler row and now I will not feel compelled to carry my original knife spoon combo). If you have not fallen in with the AoP it is worth the price of admission just to go to their sutler and participate in a ration issue. Everything is packaged in period correct packaging (or as close to it as we can get in these modern times). Also Dom DalBello wrote some of the books on battalion drill and participating in one of the good Colonel's drills is a great learning experience.

                        The SCAR company (company A) did a great job as always. Each time we serve together we seem to form a firmer bond. It is good to work in a company with alot of familiar faces. The familiarity adds to the comraderie and fun, with everyone kidding each other in a good humored way. It is good to see officers and NCOs rotated at each event so that people progress on the learning curve. Shared leadership makes sense and just seems to work.
                        Jerry Gouge
                        1st Georgia Regulars

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                          Originally posted by Jim of The SRR
                          And this forum is for those folks who have gotten off the fence! So, I hope the moderators will take note of that.
                          Jim Butler
                          Just for clarity's sake: Are you saying that I should not post here?

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                          Bernard Biederman
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                          • Re: Perryville AAR

                            I still don't see where using the restroom over a log qualifies as part of the authentic movement? Historically these two armies ran into one another at Perryville, I highly doubt constructing sinks was a major priority.
                            Patrick Landrum
                            Independent Rifles

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                            • Re: Perryville AAR

                              Originally posted by coastaltrash
                              "...using the restroom over a log qualifies as part of the authentic movement?
                              Congrats for one of the best puns this forum has ever seen. ;)
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                              • Re: Perryville AAR

                                This gets better all the time.

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