Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

[Ross L. Lamoreaux]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Yeah Pete, I know someone who could knock out some Navy stuff for you....
As for the photos above, they are pretty common, but keep it up, except for the top studio shot, as those I believe are Russian sailors, judging by the cyrillic cap tallies.

[PetePaolillo]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Pete,

Good history is never a waste of time.

Thanks Pete...These photos are fairly easy to find, I am sure the guys have seen them all before. I would like to see some more of the obscure photos that are out there..... I would like to build an impression for this event as my Father is a Navy veteran, I will have to get Ross to hook me up with a kit:D

[Pvt_Sullivan]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Pete,

Good history is never a waste of time.

Greg and I talked about this on Wednesday, there is a good deal of work to do, but we also have nearly four years to do it. I'll be looking forward to working with all of you to build a good event.

There was a question floated about whether the Sailors and Marines would be armed. The intention is yes, but the event is going to focus on them being prisoners so the weapons will most likely be on display. Although that is just the idea at this point.

[Mississippian]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

I've seen that image of the powder monkey a million times, but just now was the first time that I noticed the cutlasses on the wall behind him. Good stuff!

Will MacDonald

[PetePaolillo]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Here are some more Navy and Marine photos to reference. I hope these help people build quality impressions for this event. If they are not needed I apologize for wasting everyones time...


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Six marines with fixed bayonets at the Navy Yard. It was made in 1864


Signalmen of Rear Admiral John A. Dahlgren's flagship receiving a message from the Georgia shore


a powder monkey


Civil War Sailor on U.S.S. New Hampshire. It was taken in 1864

[Ross L. Lamoreaux]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Steve Hesson can pipe in more on this, since he's seen more original frocks than anyone I know, but the only one I've seen up close is a summer frock of white linen (conforming closer to 1830's-40's standards but with CW provenance) at the Bardstown CW Museum. I don't recall off the top of my head if Port Columbus even has any on display.

[GreencoatCross]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Here are some sailors that I cropped from uncompressed tiff images I downloaded from the Library of Congress' Prints & Photographs Online Catalog.

The first three images are of sailors on board the USS Monitor. I love the un-tucked frock that the first man is wearing. The second man playing checkers looks like he's wearing only a dark blue undershirt; notice the half sleeves and lack of collar. He is also wearing a narrow waist belt, something I've noticed in the larger images (they appear to be roller buckle and prong buckle belts). The third man in the oilcloth engineer's cap looks to be wearing trousers with a faint stripe pattern...it's barely noticeable here but if you zoom in you might be able to see it.

The final image are sailors from the USS Pawnee. The hunched forward man appears to be a petty officer if I'm not mistaken. The man to the right has what I'd guess is a pin-wheel pattern cap cover. Note the fly-front mule-ear pocket trousers and the grapeshot lined up to the left.

Also very neat to me is how orderly and clean everything is. A lot of wood surfaces appear to be scrubbed so clean that they look bleached while others look like they've been whitewashed. Guns and metal such as chains, gears, and screws all shine. Not unexpected since these guys had to constantly clean and take care of their ships, but very cool when I noticed it up close.

And finally....I see that the Navy blues in EoG belong mostly to the Stamatelos brothers. I understand that they broke up their collection some time ago, but I am not 100% certain of this. Are there any other surviving originals that I may be able to view in person, maybe in public museums? I'm really getting into this now!

[PetePaolillo]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

found a couple more neat phtos

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USS Galena 1862



U.S.S. Onondaga 1864

[Marine Mike]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Ft. Sumter, 6 Sept '63 was bad news for the federals. Most of the role after struggling to get to the beach for the few that make it will be dodging bullets, grenades and turpentine pots, getting shot, dying, surrendering or both.

Mike Stein

[Mudslinger]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

The NPS has the implements needed for silent gun drill (Seacoast), and there is one mountain howitzer on Ft. Sumter. However, I believe since the Navy is portraying POWs, the Charleston Battalion will have the gun-drill (18th SC Heavy Artillery "Seige Train". Nevertheless, it's a good thing to know for your impression.

Am I wrong Greg? Will the Navy be interacting other than the POW status, or will there be other scenarios involved?

[Marine Mike]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Trippcor,
Careful about joining us on the dark side. You'll have to learn knots, cutlass, battle ax, musket, bayonet, pistol, pike and the guns (artillery) and you'll need to know the silent drill for guns. And there is the uniforms for temperate and cold condition as was we were always close to home (on the boat or in the barracks at the yard) in various parts of the world. If it don't fit in you seabag you don't need it.
But you'll get to see a lot, the Mississippi, Great Lakes, Mobile Bay, Galveston Bay, all of the Florida coast, Charleston, Cheasapeake Bay, James River, Philadelphia (filthydelphia), Boston, Mare Island, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Bahamas, many more Caribean Islands, Venezuela, Brazil, Canary Islands, Spain, the coast of France, Japan and China.
All this for $13/mo, $1.50 for sea duty, -$2 for uniform allotment, share of the prize money, (Marines are 4 year enlistment) and yellow fever, malaria and scurvey thrown in to keep things exciting.

Mike Stein

[SCTiger]

Fireballs & Hand Grenades NBA 2013

Here is some more OR Information, Series I, Vol. 28, Part 1, page 724-728:
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S. C. AND GA. COASTS, AND IN MID. AND E. FLA. [CHAP. XL. [enclosure No. 2.J Received,
Charleston, S. C., September 11, 1868,
from Sergt. A. C. Colson, Company D, Charleston Battalion, the following ordnance and ordnance stores, & c.
Muskets .. 28
Pistols ......2
Bayonets Bayonet scabbards ..2
Cartridge-boxes Cap-boxes 0
Waist-belts ....7
Straps... 12
Cutlasses Sword 1

C. C. PICKNEY, Captain, and Achng Ordnance Officer.
ADDENDA. HDQRS. DEPT. SOUTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA, AND FLORIDA,

Charleston, S. C., September 9, 1863.
Maj. STEPHEN ELLIOTT, Jr., Comdg., & c.,
Fort Sumter, Charleston Harbor, S. C.

MAJOR:

The general commanding directs me to compliment you and your garrison on the brilliant success of this morning. He hopes that all future attempts of the enemy to take Sumter will meet with the same result. The general will endeavor to have the prisoners removed in the course of the day or to-night. Should the enemy meanwhile bombard Sumter, and you have not enough cover for your command, you will expose the prisoners, instead of your troops, to the enemy's fire.

Very respectfully,
your obedient servant,
A. N. TOUTANT BEAUREGARD,
Aide-dc-Camp. SEPTEMBER 13-14, 1863

Page 727:

Captured papers would indicate it to have been 870. His ascertained loss was 6 killed, 15 wounded, and 106 prisoners, of whom 11 were officers. We captured also five barges, five stand of colors (among them a flag, said by the prisoners to be the flag borne from the fort by Maj. Robert Anderson in 1861), and a small quantity of arms and accouterments. Most of the latter were thrown overboard by the prisoners and lost. Several boats drifted off with dead and wounded men. The action was brief and decisive, as they found us prepared, and were themselves surprised at meeting more than a nominal resistance. The Charleston Battalion fully sustained its well-earned reputation by cheerfully enduring the hardships of their position and moving forward with energy in the moment of danger. All the officers performed their duties well.

STEPHEN ELLIOTT, JR.,
Major, Commanding.

We have this set on our upcoming events and we will set in motion the necessary proposal. It's too far out to get approval, but I believe the NPS would appreciate this event. Navy Boat Attack 2013!

[trippcor]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

This could be fun. As a Navy vet myself and with an ancestor that severed in the CS Navy I have been looking for a chance and reason to put together a Naval impression.

[OldKingCrow]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

The Marines appear to be playing checkers, playing banjo or just enjoying a relaxing moment.

Mike Stein

Brady photo of USS Hunchback in James River.

George wunderlich makes a copy of this banjo he calls the "Hunchback"

[sigsaye]

Re: Soldiers vs. Sailors/Marines Boat Landing LH Ft. Sumter Inquiry

Hi Steve,
Good to see you posting here.
I have a complete Union Naval kit (enlisted) and am interested in this event. At one time I was spending a lot of time researching CW navy, primarily the river forces, but this event sounds very interesting and I would be happy to dust off my blues and research an impression acceptable for this scenario. All of my gear was made by Mr Hesson so it should pass muster.

And Steve come on.... slower cousin that sits and stares with his mouth hanging open.....? Thats just too much ....I never let my mouth just hang open...and the staring is always done resolutely, in a military manner!

Ken! Good to hear from you, how have you been doing. Guess you and Jason haven't skewered each other yet. That's good.

Now, you know that the "Slower Cousin" analogy is to give a young man with no idea about the family relationship between the only two fighting forces in the world that really matter, a "base" to start from.

I'm heading down into Tennessee today until Friday on business, will talk to you then.

And, Ken has done some serious research into river Sailors, so another assett (and he is a former Marine, but we still hang out together:wink_smil.

Steve Hesson