Pending Forum Closure

[JimKindred]

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Folks,

Thank you all for your comments and a special thank to those who donated to the upkeep of the forum. It is much appreciated. We have received enough to keep the forum going for a few more months.

Since this thread has turned toward a subject other than the funding issue now is as good a time as any to close it.

The donation tab will remain in the upper right corner.

Thanks again.

[Johnny Lloyd]

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So, if the above is the case, then the forum format/software/ease of use on AC is really the underlying issue...?

[Michael Comer]

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I think you're right Tom about people moving toward freedom but would add that much of that internet freedom comes at a price. I've seen many things on FB that started out looking like they would be good threads quickly disintegrate into a train wreck with people calling each other names, getting off topic, taking a thread completely in another direction etc. The end result is that people bail out of the discussion and it becomes a power struggle between a coupld of people. So, the price is you have a potentially good conversation ruined by some idiots.

You'll notice that a number of hobby related FB pages have the equivalent of moderators and administrators. There's a reason for that.

[Tom Craig]

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Yes this site does things that FB cannot, in terms of putting stuff in one easy to use place. But who is going to pay for a good service, when you can have an ok one for free? I prefer having event details here (or in one other central place) and I really enjoy having one central space for all sorts of hobby info and conversation. But the world has moved on, and while for some of us old school type folks this format feels better or is more effective, the rest of the world has voted with their fingers.

And like the free vs pay question, ask yourself if the average person would rather post info in a forum that they control with no rules or restrictions, or post in a forum like this with strict rules, and folks sitting in judgement of your efforts/events? People will always move toward freedom.

Take care,
Tom Craig

[Pumpkinslinger]

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Therein lies the value of this site. It does something Facebook cannot.

How true....

[Johnny Lloyd]

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The one thing I've noticed about social media such as FB, is how many groups do you have to be a part of? There's probably 5 different Civil War themed Buy/Sell/Trade groups. Then there are the unit webpages. And the mess pages. And the event unit webpages. Like, seriously, I think we're too wired into these groups, that a lot of information is going to be missed.

While it sucks to pay a lot for site hosting, seriously take a look at at any documentation thread based thread on FB and decide if it's opinion or fact based. The nice thing about the AC is if you post it, you need to document it. ...

Therein lies the value of this site. It does something Facebook cannot.

[PaulJ]

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Still paid up until February but have sent another donation. Very many thanks to Paul and Jim for maintaining this Forum - there's a lot of information on here that it would be tragic to lose.

[MarkTK36thIL]

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The one thing I've noticed about social media such as FB, is how many groups do you have to be a part of? There's probably 5 different Civil War themed Buy/Sell/Trade groups. Then there are the unit webpages. And the mess pages. And the event unit webpages. Like, seriously, I think we're too wired into these groups, that a lot of information is going to be missed.

While it sucks to pay a lot for site hosting, seriously take a look at at any documentation thread based thread on FB and decide if it's opinion or fact based. The nice thing about the AC is if you post it, you need to document it. I'm seeing a lot of old school, "It's this way, and you're wrong- but I'm not going to show any documentation for it." I'm seeing a lot of, "Who makes the best?..." threads, and guys trying to look cool and take self-pics of themselves in gear, and showing off.

[Michael Comer]

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I think though, that even with FB being at the forefront right now it is temporary. Yes, you can get information out about events etc there, but it takes a lot more steps to do and you do not get it out to every interested party in such a way as a single site such as this can do.

[mosbysgirl]

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Hear, hear Mr. Craig!

[Tom Craig]

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Hey all,
I have been a long time member/follower of the AC forum...from back when the internet was still a pretty new gadget in our lives. It used to be a place of organizing for events, spreading info, and some very entertaining flame wars and ego trips (despite everyone's teeth gnashing about it, everyone watched THOSE shows).

Unfortunately the digital world has evolved and sites like this have become pase for many for a variety of reasons, from too many rules, to personalities, to as one person pointed out, the WalMart effect of FB.

The AC today is not what it was even three years ago. I used to check it daily, and I'll admit sometimes several times a day depending on what was going on. Now, I check it 2-3 times per week. Not because of personalities or rules, but because all it has become is a big classified ad. Gone are the event organizing posts (gone to FB, in part because of the cumbersome approval process here), and the historical analysis research (I don't know where that went sadly).

Yes there is a lot of intel archived here, but what is it's value when no one remembers the site anymore. Sure some folks will anty up for a subscription, but just the way that print media is dying, sites like this are dying too, for better or worse. It would help to see detailed financials, because a lack of transparency makes people question integrity, and makes them fill in their own version of the story. But more than transparency, the site, if it is going to survive needs to rediscover or invent some new relevancy.

Best of luck,
Tom Craig

[Jeff Nichols]

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Again...it's hard to fix what you don't know is broken. Is there a best "guesstimate" regarding licensing and software upgrades, plus the hourly labor rate for however many individuals are involved? Maybe an average of the last 3-5 years would be a starting point? I realize it involves time and energy, but it would seem that the fate of the site is dependent upon such. Unfortunately, there are but a select few who have access to and can gather the information.

I think it's fair to say that no one wants to see this site go away...myself included. It would be an understatement of epic proportion to acknowledge that I have certainly gleaned more from these pages than I have ever contributed. I chime in with others who have expressed their willingness to contribute, but there has to be some sort of plan. A shotgun approach is no solution to what is destined to be a long term problem. Very difficult to devise a plan of attack without the information at hand.

[paulcalloway]

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Not all the expenses are fixed - so can't really give you an exact number. Depends on what we do with licenses, software, hosting etc. We're overdue for a couple software upgrades (vbullletin 5.0). I usually pay myself an hourly rate to fix stuff when we can afford to.

Roughly $1500-2000 per year to run the forum. We get about $1000 of that from vendors and the remainder from subscriptions/donations.

[Dbackfed]

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One thing that some sites will do, like Wikipedia, is have a donation tracker for an annual period until funds are met. Perhaps a yearly funraiser would be one route to go when funds are too low? Just my two cents.

[Johnny Lloyd]

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I am up for a break-down of what more fundage is needed. Just a suggestion. (I don't mean to put anyone in an embarrassing position by that statement either.;))