Austrian Lorenz Repop

[DougCooper]

Re: Austrian bayonet scabbards

Jim - great photo. Does it mention the regiment (note the jackets)? Are those perhaps wooden grave markers at their feet?

[Bob 125th NYSVI]

Re: Austrian bayonet scabbards

If the weapons were purchased but 'leathers' weren't wouldn't it be logical that the depot would just issue whatever the QM had in stock?

I guess the question would be does anybody have either QM returns on what was issued with the Lorenz or maybe even shipping manifests to show what arrived in the same cargo the weapons did?

Frankly I have a hard time envisioning them coming from the warehouse with/in the scabbards since the items would have been provided by two different manufacturers in Austria and not mated up until issued form stores.

[Stonewall_Greyfox]

Re: Austrian bayonet scabbards

The Hall of Valor at New Market has on display a Federal Scabbard with a lorenze bayonet sticking out in this manner. While I have long been critical about this, the image Jim has posted shows that it is not out of the realm of possibility.

The scabbard/bayonet is preported to have been carried into Battle of New Market by VMI Cadet Francis L. Smith. It is attached to a folded leather belt with a Virginia Spoon and Wreath Buckle. Cadet Smith's Cassimere uniform is on display at New Market and his jacket of English Broadcloth is in the VMI collection and was the basis for the reproduction by Scott Hanes' of the Richmond Depot.

Paul B. Boulden Jr.

RAH VA MIL '04
23rd VA Vol. Regt.

[Johnny Lloyd]

Re: Austrian bayonet scabbards

Oh my gosh... gaiters on Federals! :p

Great photo -Johnny

[Shockoe Hill Cats]

Re: Austrian bayonet scabbards

Well, I'll be! I was just looking at the same photograph and noticing that too. I need some kudos too.

[tsgalloway]

Re: Austrian bayonet scabbards

Very neat photo and observation.

[Jimmayo]

Austrian bayonet scabbards

Came across this image in the LOC of a group of Federal Soldiers at Centerville. Notice they are carrying Lorenze's and the bayonet is held by the standard US scabbard which is too short. I like photos showing make do configurations such as this.

[Charles Heath]

Re: Lorenz musket tool

Jim,

Have you contacted Tim Prince?

[Johan Steele]

Re: Lorenz musket tool

I paid $7 for mine, they are not uncommon. I believe I've seen a half dozen in the last year at various gunshows running about $25.

[militiaman1835]

Lorenz musket tool

I was bidding on a lorenz musket tool in vg condition on an on line auction. It sold for $107.55!! Value of it was rated $40 and people have said on here they find them for $25 or $30. Keep your eyes peeled for these!! Jim Hensley

[tomp40]

Re: Loyalist Arms 1854 Lorenz Is here!

Interesting piece.. For some reason I want to say that some NJ units were issued the Lorenz.. I'll have to check my regimental history books. Is anyone else in the states selling this gun?

[rogue]

Re: Loyalist Arms 1854 Lorenz Is here!

Benjamin,
Be very careful in your quest for a missing Lorenz hammer.
There are several distinctive "types" of Lorenz hammer/locks. One resembles a model 1853 Enfield and one does not.
Also these are hand made weapons, not mass produced from a single model, so one part is not totally interchangable with all as in the case of the US Springfield.
Be prepared to lug your hammerless Lorenz to parts sources, or be prepared for a lot of back and forth postage unless you luck into a correct hammer the first time out.
Steve Sullivan
CWPT
Co. Mil. Hist.
Owner of several Lorenz', none of which have interchangable parts!

[58 lorenz]

Re: Loyalist Arms 1854 Lorenz Is here!

If you hurry, here is a more-or-less complete Lorenz in sad shape on eBay: #300120186712



Doug Price

[benjaminmcgee]

Re: Loyalist Arms 1854 Lorenz Is here!

Hello all,

On the subject of the Lorenz, does anyone have an original hammer laying around that they would be willing to sell?

Benjamin McGee

[Craig L Barry]

Re: Loyalist Arms 1854 Lorenz Is here!

James
The 1842 Austrian tubelocks were big bore (.72). It would've been the M-1854 Lorenz if the bore was in the vicinity of .54 to .58. The M-1854 was 13.9 mm (actually .556), which was one reason for their reputation for poor shooting accuracy. Austrian ammo was not imported along with the Lorenz. US 1841 (Mississippi) rifle .535 balls were usually issued, and these rounds were the wrong size for the Lorenz.

It still seems odd...Not that the Austrians fobbed off obsolete arms on the US Army, but that fully 1/3 of the M-1854s issued to those Ohio troops could actually be that bad...however, that is what we are left to conclude.