Marmaduke's Raid AAR

[Johnny Lloyd]

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I don't know what you mean when you say more organizing of the civilians could be helpful. Silvana was the civilian coordinator and I think she put on one hell of a great event. Since you weren't on the civilian list for this event you weren't able to see the incredible amount of hours of detailed planning and organization that Silvana put in. The maps and emails and massive historic information provided to the participants, and the effort spent keeping the historic demographics realistic, I think it might be best not to complain about a lack of organization.

I can honestly say that Silvana's goal was to have the civilians be as historically accurate as possible, not only in their clothing and gear, but also in who they chose to portray. Perhaps the next event will have a more even mix of Union and Confederate civilians, or tip the scales more toward Union, but regardless our job is to try to recreate who lived in the area, and if the military encounters us then they will encounter someone similar to what they would have in 186x.

Linda.

Linda-

No, no criticism of Silvana or Marmy's is inferred with that statement at all. I personally haven't the right to criticize Miss Silvana's known wonderful organizational talents. :D

I'm just referring to events in the future like Marmy's with heavy civilian interraction with the military this might be an idea to be considered.

Perhaps OCs are an idea/concept best left for military portrayals since civilians might be resistant to the idea?

-Johnny Lloyd

[lambrew]

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Johnny I agree totaly with one point you made. "A central point for EMS contact/safety concerns." A list of who is a Paramedic/EMT participant at the event would be helpful, as well as a way to get a hold of the local modern Fire Brigade. I was called over to help my pard when he got hurt on saturday. At first they were waiting for Boozie to return (not knowing he had been captured) when my pard happened to remember what I do for a living. When I got to the tent I found nothing to improve upon as far as the treatment allready rendered. Thanks a lot fellas for taking care of my friend. I did not get a chance to thank you before we left, and I'm sorry about that. In the future I will let it be known at regestration. Not doing so will not happen again. Thanks again for taking care of my pard, and let me know when I can return the kindness.

Your Obedient Servant....
Sean Collicott

P.S. Stay safe out there, I hate to have to go to work on someone.:D I'll say a little prayer to keep us all safe.
Your Friend....

[Hairy Nation Boys]

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Company A had three known EMT's or firefighters. I had submitted their names to Battalion. That was covered.Boozie and I put together a medical kit. We did not have anything for burns. We will now.

Holler

[lambrew]

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I figured you did. I feel guilty I did not throw my name in the hat as well. You fellas did a great job! Thanks a ton.

Yours....
Sean Collicott

[Lone Guard]

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I was the lead prospector who allowed myself to be taken to the fort. If I wouldn't have been sick, I would have never gone anywhere near the fort. Friday morning I guess it was Reeve's Scouts who came down the ravine about 20 yards to the left of where I was. Sounded like a herd of cattle. :tounge_sm
Too bad the Fed's didn't check my pockets. I had some stuff they might have wanted to look at.
I was pretty disgusted that I drove 13 hours and then got sick.


Chuck "Amos" Reynolds

I remember seeing you, I was one of the two young infantrymen that met you just as you came in the fort. Quite a few of us thought it looked like you had more than an impression going there.

[Cfarrell]

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I believe one of the things that worked for Marmaduke's is the fact that the civilians were for the most part spread out over the valley and not scripted or assigned special tasks. As we (the bushwhackers) treked back and forth across the creek bottom we spotted a number of civilians in the distance, but only interacted with a few of them. We honestly never knew when we would stumble across someone in that valley which for myself was really fun.

To let Linda and Hank in on a little secret...one of our main goals was to find Mr. Trent. We had a special rope all tied up just for him cause we knew he would play along. Unfortunately it was rather difficult to locate you two, and by Sunday morning when we stumbled across you we were making our approach to the federal fort and had little time to stop.

Again, it was a really nice event!

Johnny, I see what you are saying, but I think an OC or something like that is probably something geared more towards the military side and tactical style events.

[Johnny Lloyd]

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Johnny, I see what you are saying, but I think an OC or something like that is probably something geared more towards the military side and tactical style events.

Yeah, that's what I'm getting from this conversation too. :o

All the best -Johnny

[Campjacksonboy]

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"Johnny I agree totaly with one point you made. "A central point for EMS contact/safety concerns." A list of who is a Paramedic/EMT participant at the event would be helpful, as well as a way to get a hold of the local modern Fire Brigade."

Perhaps you weren't on the command level but there was a written plan if someone got hurt. We also had a phone up the hill along with numbers and a contact (Mr. Hunter.) to call whomeever needed to be called. Besides that the U.S Commander, C.S. Commander and civilian coordinator all had radios with a plan on when those were to be taken out and turned on.
The "emergency plan" was sent to all commanders, co's and EMT's that we knew about and was an updated version of what they used at New Hope, GA. I had also had contact with the EMS of Reynolds and Wayne Counties as well as the local Volunteer Fire Dept and The Corps of Engineers. We had evacuation routes, first aid kits, and a stretcher.

For my own part I didn't know anything about the incident until the event was over and I heard a vague account of what happened from a non-participant an hour after the event was over. My question is did any of the Company officers know about this? Why didn't I? If the incident was serious enough to warrant an ambulance, as I had been told one had been requested, the event should have been stopped.

It seems the man was ok after a trip to a distant hospital.

But yes there was a plan. Why wasn't it followed?
Frank Aufmuth

[Hairy Nation Boys]

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If you are refering to cpl who had burns on his hand. Yes, I knew about it. I talked with him, Jason Reinholz first looked at it and treated the wound. Terry was told and we got one of his pards who is an EMT to look at it. At that time his pard suggested that he go to the emergency room to have a doctor look at it. At no time was an ambulance ever mentioned. (that is if it was for this incident) I have no idea why you didn't know about it at the time. I was to busy trying to figure out who was leaving etc. Jeremy is doing fine(I e-mailed him Monday) and last I heard he got a sticker for being such a big brave boy!

Frank if this is the incident and you have more questions please feel free to call me. 319-341-5885

Once again Company A had a plan if someone got hurt. I carried bandages etc and a cpr mask. I cannot comment on the other companies but we were ready. Jeremy sought help, his hand was looked at and he was told to go to a doctor. Lets not get wrapped up in what should have been done or said.

Frank, the event was great! It was worth all the time and effort on all parts. Hopefully we can have another great experience at The Lost Tribes.

[Abe]

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Holler and Frank

Yes, Jeremy showed up after Saturday's battle with a few of his pards back at the Fort. He informed me that he had a flashoff go off in his hand. Jeremy washed his hand with clean water. His burn was treated with burn ointment and bandaged. We waited for a medical call from one of our EMT's which also happened to be one of his buddies. He rightfully called that it was better to go seek medical attention. At no time was this what I would call a medicall emergency. I know that company commanders had medical kits with them and the battalion had a medical kit inside the Major's tent.

We actually used mostly bandages throughout the weekend due to cuts and scrapes. I think that the company commanders and Lt's did an excellent job taking care of their men and informing the EMT's if there were any concerns. Now Charles' cooking, that is a different matter all together.


Lt. Charles Aldrich
Adj. 32nd Iowa
"the only federal not to leave the fort during the event. I would have liked to seen the valley"

Jason Reinholz
Mess #3

[Charles Heath]

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Johnny,

The O/C feature has been tried at a number of events, and for some who don't particularly care for that term, the older "engineer taped" version from the OG 501/507 world was "referee" or just "ref." Some of this is an overlay from the "Nam in Wool" period of the hobby (1999-2004), but in spite of several spectacular failures, having a go between the period world and the modern world has been successful a few times, but more often than not is has not been good.

- One 2000 era event in NC had moderate success, with two issues. One was the lack of period clothing, and the second was a shortage of fate cards. A possible third issue was the fact the fate cards needed to be collected after action. Ouch.

- Another 2000 effort in VA started out with a half dozen mounted O/Cs, and ended up with one mounted, and one detailed to perform brain surgery on the event logistics. The issues here were lack of coverage (obvious), and the patient died. Mercifully, this event was called due to rain.

- Similar efforts in 2001-2004 in VA met with similar ill-fated results.

- Fast forward to 2008, and at least one event on this circuit used O/Cs in an effective manner, although with a couple of minor glitches which were invisible to most. This event was more complicated than 99% of what happens even on this wing of the hobby, and it wouldn't have happened without a little something extra to prevents some fairly serious problems.

(Right about now, some fine fellow is resisting the urge to pipe up about some farb or mainstream tactical where blah, blah, blah happened. Please keep resisting the urge, because those events are apples and elephants, and I'm not always sure if the apple hasn't already been through the elephant. )

I can think of one event in the distant past on approximately 85 square miles where this feature, and some gentle nudging could have allowed the armies to actually make contact (Yes, Jim, that one.) and a future event where on over 40 square miles where this could be a really good tool. Insofar as the citizenry is concerned, other than making sure someone doesn't wander off site, and/or making sure certain event critical planned interactions happen, there isn't much that could or should be done for free form events. Fact is, this is the opposite end of the spectrum for events that typically run on what might as well be a railroad timetable.

As to medical personnel and accidents -- folks, use your chain of command. I can't think of many events where the EMTs and others weren't identified well in advance, and someone wearing straps and stripes is likely to know who and where they are. In the 21st century sense, there is still "the golden hour." Most events have an EMS plan for man and beast, with some more detailed than others. The average participant may not be aware of the specifics, even if such was included in the pre-event information.

This is good stuff, and we should talk about these things.

Just for fun -- our mess kettles are the original weapon of mass destruction!

[Johnny Lloyd]

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Ok Chawls... I surrender. Since there was historic precedent for the idea that falied and I didn't know about it, then it's a moot point.

Forget I even mentioned the idea. :confused_

Gads... I've been defeated by a force of unarmed civilians! Ha!

LOL :wink_smil :D

All the best- Johnny Lloyd

PS- I've thought medical emergencies have been dealt with quite well at authentic events. People always seemed quite well-prepared. (Think the snakebite at Pickett's Mill... that was well-handled with the out-of-place bugle calls/speed-of-movement- good show there)

I dunno. Since there were questions about it... Perhaps a packing list from a qualified EMT "Event how to..." thread can tell people what they should have standard in their EMT bags?

[Jeremy Bevard]

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My finger never required an ambulance. A friendly neighborly ride to get to the marina but that was it (and we could have walked back if needed). No emergency plan needed to be activated. At no time did I ever want the event to even pause for a moment for my minor injury. Our Sgt Major coming over to check on me and give me a rag to wrap it in was plenty. It was then my choice to stay with my battalion to see the assault through. It wasn’t until the truce was called that decided to head back to the Fort to have it looked at and took a pard with me. It worked out well at that point because I was able to further stress the need to release the prisoner. Plus give some preliminary info on the assault.
Thanks to loading correctly my index finger was just next to the muzzle when it cooked off. Sure wish I had an explanation for why it did it. Fired a few times with no problems and went to load another round and flash! Cap was still on and everything. Eight years and never had that happen. Hopefully it was the once and only time.
Yes, Holler, I did get a sticker at the hospital for being a brave little boy!:p Along with a strange quizzical look when I was explaining the what, where and how it happened.
Hope that puts it to bed if that was the incident being referred too. The event was fantastic so thank you again for all of those who put their sweat and tears into it! It is very much appreciated and I would do it all again.

I look forward to seeing you all in MO in October next year!!

[biddler165]

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I agree with PVT JB. All of this discussion over a little flash burn. I don't see the point in it.

See y'all in LA in March

[Gallo de Cielo]

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The Ground Hornets often work to increase resistance to flash-burns. At one winter muster at Mansfield, one man laced a pile of tinder with a cartridge and he and two other pards put their faces about 8 inches from the pile to get the match to catch the twigs. When she flashed off the boys were only blinded for the remainder of the night.

Regards,